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[–] robocall@lemmy.world 10 points 17 hours ago (6 children)

Anything to help people that want to have children is good.

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 13 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

that want to have children

As long as people who don't want to have children aren't pressured. Not everyone is interested in parenting, and that needs to be accepted.

[–] dan1101@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

China isn't good about things like that. They have billions of people, they aren't going to worry about the feelings of those not contributing to the machine.

[–] BangCrash@lemmy.world -3 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (2 children)

How have you taken a good thing for people and turned it into a bad thing for you.

Can't you just be happy for others without making it about yourself?

[–] Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world 7 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

China is not doing this out of kindness or altruism in any respects. They don't care about people wanting to have kids. They're doing it because they need more poor people to keep working and replenishing the poor workers, to prop up the elite class. Why can't you see this?

Not isolated to China. Most western countries including the US have the same goals, it's not altruistic.

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Yes, there is real concern that measures to prop up birth rates might become coercive. That people may feel pressured to reproduce whether they want to or not.

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

there is real concern

By who?

people may feel pressured

There is nothing the cpc could do that would register compared to the pressure exerted by the average parent.

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

You don't foresee governments being capable of engaging in coercive, if not outright totalitarian measures?

As a simple hypothetical example: consider the effect of banning (or otherwise significantly restricting) contraceptives.

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 0 points 2 hours ago

Governments? Yes. China specifically? Probably not. Korea maybe, because they've been having some extremely normal politics as of late.

[–] BangCrash@lemmy.world 0 points 6 hours ago

Sure but that's a totally different discussion than the other commentor making it about themselves

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I don't live in China, so this isn't about me.

Did you hurt yourself making that stretch?

[–] BangCrash@lemmy.world -1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

Exactly it's not about you.

So why are you commenting that some people DONT WANT KIDS and this shouldnt be forced on us.

You are making it about yourself.

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 3 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

The only person trying to make it about me is...you.

Quit trying to make it happen, and stop with the fucking gaslighing.

[–] BangCrash@lemmy.world 0 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

The original comment was

"Anything that helps people that want to have children is good"

Your response was

"As long as people who don't want to have children aren't pressured. Not everyone is interested in parenting, and that needs to be accepted."

At no point was anyone's talking about forcing people to have kids. You've built a strawman and are arguing about something that nobody is talking about.

You. You have made it about yourself and are now trying to pretend you didn't.

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)
[–] BangCrash@lemmy.world -1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

The fact you can't reflect on how your own words come across is a huge red flag

Good luck @EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 3 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

You seem to be the only one using such a stretched interpretation. You went out of your way to interpret something in the worst manner possible. And now you're just fixated on your own misinterpretation and using it to pick a fight. That's the huge red flag you're talking about.

I don't see anyone jumping in here to support you. At least Yawweee seems to get it.

[–] mrl1@jlai.lu 8 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Childbirth costs isn't what's preventing people from having babies though

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 10 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

You're right, falling birth rates are affecting people in rich and poor countries alike.

I think the answer is more complicated and has a lot to do with our collective psychology as a species, what we're consuming and what we're feeling about our futures.

That said, money and cost do play a huge role in this. People have complicated feelings on having families right now, and the barrier of cost is a great idea for the brain to seize onto as a validation for avoiding continuation of the species.

[–] dude@lemmings.world 4 points 11 hours ago

In China even high schools are paid, the answer is not complicated in this case. It’s just crazy expensive to have children in China with the local salaries

[–] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

They subsidize a lot more than childbirth

[–] MeThisGuy@feddit.nl 1 points 2 hours ago

pixelated porn?

[–] idefix@sh.itjust.works 7 points 11 hours ago

Given how overpopulated the planet is, I'm not a fan

[–] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 hour ago

nah, disagree. not anything.