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You're literally using the exact same logic here, again. We can again distill the argument and these examples as, "everyone does it so it's not a bad thing".
Secondly, it doesn't have to be a "problem", sure, but it's not a good representation of what to expect. Nobody's saying it's a "huge problematic practice". It's just annoying. The best trailers to me are just... gameplay. Anything else would be a teaser.
Thirdly, it's not really "suddenly". It's been like this for a long time and I haven't ever liked it. It's just the first time you're hearing me say it.
Fourth...ly? One is allowed to feel like it is a problem, too, if that would indeed be how one felt about it. ๐
That's why there are different kinds of trailers. You have announcement/teaser trailers, gameplay trailers, cinematic trailers (for showing cutscenes and story content), character trailers...
๐คทโโ๏ธ I guess I'm only interested in certain types of trailers. And that's the real argument right there, which is valid, that there are different kinds of trailers. That's perfectly fine.
But my main gripe, regardless of the topic, is to say "everyone does it so it's fine". There are very few instances of that being a valid argument. I can think of linguistics as one example. ๐
Not to be pedantic, but your critique of the existence of an announcement trailer feels like walking into a pizza shop, ordering a pizza, then getting mad because you wanted a burger.
If you don't like announcement teasers then don't watch them and just wait for the reveal trailer to release?
It usually goes announcement -> teaser -> reveal -> the rest
My critique is of the argumentative style of "everyone does it, so it's fine".
That's it.
"That's kinda how announcement trailers usually go?" Isn't an appeal to tradition or a moral preference statement, which you seem to interpreted it as.. It was just questioning your expectations. They are simply pointing out that you judged the trailer for being something it was never expected to be.
Announcement trailers are non-committal by design - it's the formal declaration of a project without making promises that are too early to make.
I didn't do that. I simply judged the argument of "that's usually what is done". That's not a good argument.
I don't have much against the trailer itself, can we let that part go? I only here oppose the argument of "everybody does it". That's what I had an issue with from the start.
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... So how did the trailer make you feel?
Nah kidding I get your point, although we could argue that there is merit in doing something a certain way because everyone is doing it that way.
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Yeah, I mean, sure, it definitely depends on what it is. But if we want to use such an argument, there'd have to be a reason attached as well. Like, "everyone does it, and it's for a reason, namelyyyyyy...", you know what I mean?
The argument on its own is just empty. ๐คทโโ๏ธ
There is real world reason why everyone does it.
Graphics are usually one of the last things that get finished in games. There is no sense spending hundreds of hours and thousands if dollars to make character models and levels pretty, when there are bound to be changes in both.
Teaser trailers basic gist is to show people "hey we are making this, follow us for more", cinematic trailers are world building and showing the overall theme. Also if the public has bad reaction they still have time to make changes to the game.
Down the line when the devs are confident that aspects of the game wont go trough any more major iterations they can start to show gameplay.
Inherently all trailers are just marketing and the very fact you are commenting something here says that they have succeeded.
Moaning about cinematic trailers is like asking a cheff to show the steak while the animal is still grasing on the meadow.
Again, I'm not the one moaning about the trailer. Talk to the one who has an issue with the trailer about this. Thank you for your consideration.
And im giving you a context "why everyone does it".
There is also plenty of other benefits in releasing cinematic trailer. First thing of course is to get knowledge of the game out there and create intrests, but it also:
Helps devs to gauge the intrest in their game, See how people react and if necessary change things early in the production, If company is in stock market, it necessary to make clear to the public they are doing something, If they have financial backers its easy to give them reassurences by telling how many times the trailer has been watched and commented. Especially important if they have nothing else going on that quater or financial year, Youtube statistics also give devs insight to their fanbase as they see who are the people watching it, and that helps them gauge things like need for localization
The part about moanin isint necessary about you, but more general thing. Sorry if it felt like attack towards you.
Alright, tell it to the person who has an issue with the trailer.
I only had an issue with the argument. If you have a valid argument, give it to the person who should hear it. It isn't me.
It all ready seems little counterintuitive to keep commenting here but you literally commented: "But my main gripe, regardless of the topic, is to say "everyone does it so it's fine"." and im trying to answer to that, why everybody does it.
Also if you are speaking in a wider sense. When there are busineses that make hundreds of millions you can be sure there is a reason why they do what they do. For example Amazon does insane amount if research how their checkout works and how to make sure most customers that reach that point would finish the purchace. You can be sure what they do works, so why any other companies would use their time doing the same research when they can just copy the homework of others.
I don't understand why you keep going about the exact part I'm telling you I'm not interested in?
I don't want to know why everyone does this particular thing. I just want people stop using the argumentative fallacy of "everyone does X, so X is fine/good".
Everyone here is continuing to fixate on the X part, but I'm only commenting on the argumentative fallacy itself, which is separate from the instance of X in this case.
Please, no more? Alright?