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So what happens now? Do those Democrat senators provide their own swords to fall on, or do they get beheaded? What's the protocol here for senators who have failed as entirely as they have?
Violence generally doesn't get what you want out of the system.
History largely proves otherwise...
Very recent history shows Republican senators are almost entirely to blame.
You can cause change but its very difficult to know what change will be when it happens.
Yeah, that was 200 years ago. We have better ways to handle things now.
no, we really don't. 200 years is nothing on the scale of humanity. We have Nazi's resurging, the south trying to rise again. We have peaceful protests trying to be outlawed and the administration regularly calling for the death of their opponents.
None of this will change without the thread of violence, and likely they'll call on that.
The violent coup in DC a few years ago was just them telling us they were ready to be violent.
Diplomacy, conflict resolution, etc. Not really motivated to fight against the tide of lemmy people sipping koolaid. But if you step outside the echo chamber, it's mostly common sense.
Kinda funny how you're talking about an echo chamber when you yourself are just repeating the mainstream media talking points about diplomacy. There is a reason why they promote peaceful solutions, it's because they're easier to ignore or quash.
How is wanting to avoid civil war "mainstream"? I mean sure, go and promote revolution from the comfort of your climate controlled box with modern amenities, detached from the horrors of war. The feds have tanks.
As I already stated, peaceful solutions are easier to ignore or quash. You cannot negotiate with someone who can already get their way because they have nothing to gain. Negotiating to them means giving things up. If they refuse to negotiate, how are you going to bring them to the bargaining table?
A lot of this is reductionist and kind of generalizing. Really depends on what we're talking about. There are ways to punish companies and hit them where it hurts, money, for instance. There are ways to lobby Congress. I'm just saying there's a framework for being strategic about these things, and distilling it down to violent uprising is just lacking any nuance any of these types of conversations actually deserve.
There are ways, but they're even less effective and impractical than they were when companies weren't all merged together and government wasn't flooded with lobbyist dollars. Now industries are dominated by 2-3 major players who collude on prices through "algorithms" and the government is openly for sale to the top bidder. Money completely rules all, guess who has more money. That's the only thing that talks "peacefully" now.
And the authorities had tanks in every country that had a successful people-power revolution too.
If the military refuses to attack their own people, the tanks don't matter.
Right, that's why I brought up the seppuku first.
That's still a violent thing to wish on people.
The American Revolution, the violent uprising that gave these assholes governmental power, proves otherwise.
Though the ideas espoused for the revolution might be grand, the cause and motivation behind those who joined the revolution was purely monetary.
The American revolution was a war of businessmen against the government in England. The government was and is the same; in the past only rich, land owning white men could vote or form government. Now it is the corporations or rich white men.
Wasn't saying they were good or bad. Just that revolution is violent and it works
There have been a few that weren't violent, too. Portugal, Czechoslovakia, Ukraine getting rid of their Russian-installed quisling, South Korea.
I say this as an American. Half the "Founding Fathers" were slave owners and did not see a problem with subgrating other humans into forced labor. The American enterprise has been a business all the way back to the first white man setting foot on this continent. I guess I just proved you talking point.
"How is it that we hear the loudest yelps for liberty among the drivers of negroes?"
as Samuel Johnson argued during the American revolution. Apologies for unenlightened 18th-century language.
It is OK. I got my Masters in 18th and 19th century lit. Johnson was right on the money with that quote and I say that as an American.
The capability for violence should peaceful means fail does
Changes made during peace only last until someone willing to be violent undoes them.
Changes must come with a small amount of fear of retribution on reversal, or capitalism/authoritarianism will come and eat your lunch.