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Yeah, we should elect more republicans, amirite?
No they're saying don't vote. That always works out so good.
No, they're saying we need to be WAY more proactive before the primaries to replace the traditional corpo-dems with people that will be substantially more progressive, and substantially further left on the overton window. Those candidates need to win their primaries and fix the party that's currently broken by the corpo-dems.
No the rest of the world is saying "VOTE IN A THIRD OPTION AS THE TWO YOU HAVE ARE ASS!"
And we keep telling you that isn't how our system is set up but you aren't interested in understanding.
Canada has a similar system (whichever candidate recieves a plurality of the votes wins the seat in the region) and has 5 different parties in their government.
Westminster-style parliament is far less "winner takes all" than the US system though. We don't even really have an executive branch in the sense that the US does, and we have many more levers that can be pulled to topple an abusive government - including by royal decree.
In the US, if an official needs to be removed, they have to be impeached and convicted by their peers, after which they are removed and depending on what their position/home state/etc, they may leave a vacant seat or have a replacement appointed until the next elected. However in the case of the president, there is a clear line of succession, and it it virtually guaranteed that everyone in that line is ideologically aligned.
In Canada, there is a recall process that is initiated by the voters as a petition, put to a vote by the people, and if successful, that person is immediately removed and a by-election is called.
In the US, if the government can't pass a budget, it shits itself and shuts down. In Canada, if the government can't pass a budget, parliament is dissolved and there's a new election - but everything else just keeps running based on the last successful budget.
Sounds like the US has a shitty system and they should improve it. None of that is relevant to actually developing a third party however. There is 1 single president but (theoretically) needs support of the House and Senate. Recalls and budgets are irrelevant to the issue of only having 2 parties.
No, I was not encouraging people in the US to vote 3rd party in the last election. But now is an excellent time to start working on some 3rd party candidates for 2028.
It is a shitty system but fixing it is even harder because Constitutional amendments need 38/50 states to agree.
Officially we're down to three, and the trend over the last decade is not promising:
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And our Prime Minister does not have royal powers like the US president. Pardons are rare.
Very true, but not relevant to the 'third parties are impossible' argument.
A Parliamentary system is pretty different from a Presidential one and we also don't have a way to call a vote of no-confidence or otherwise change the government outside of the rigid election cycle, and Canada only really has two parties at the Federal level.
The current as well as the past several elections have resulted in minority governments: The party with the most seats does not have enough votes on their own to pass legislation. They need a 3rd party to vote with them in order to get anything passed. The NDP has also been the official opposition in the past.
There's some movement in cities like New York and Seattle to elect 3rd parties to major positions but the problem isn't really in urban areas. The Republican party is almost as much a religious sect as it is a political group and undoing the Christian Supremacy they've attached to is the kind of change that takes generations of education.
"No Way to Prevent This" Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens.
Maybe some day yankistanis will grow a fucking spine instead for using fear to trample on innocent lives.
Until then downvote and hope to shrug your problems away. It will surely work one of these days.
You're right, every single voting adult in this country agreed on the current trajectory and aren't being held captive by an electoral system designed to give unbalanced power to Southern slave states.
You think this is the only nation with a right wing problem?
It is the only world leader that is no longer a democracy that also tryes to shove its own "freedom" down our throats at every opportunity whose population thinks that they are an exception to every system of govenment.
Its like superearth but un ironic and very damaging.
And we keep telling you that it is your system that you all are responsable for and we don't care that you use it as an excuse while dragging the rest of the world down with you.
My state has about as much political influence over Florida as Portugal has over Hungary. Being in the same union doesn't mean that what they do has anything to do with me even if ours is dressed up as a single country.
Florida isn't the place starting trade wars with the entire world.
Exactly, as you said you don't understand and you aren't interested in understanding. Thanks for making that clear.
I have never said in any way shape or form that I don't understand the terrible us system. I think you must be confusing me with someone else.
Look, you did imply it. Whether you meant to or not. By answering "And we keep telling you that it is your system that you all are responsable for and we don't care that you use it as an excuse while dragging the rest of the world down with you." to "And we keep telling you that isn't how our system is set up but you aren't interested in understanding." you are implying that the statement you are responding to is correct. It's a 'yes, and' statement, like in improv comedy.
The statement "yes, you keep saying that" is not equivalent to "yes, what you keep saying is true."
Your inability and unwillingness to engage with the actual topic could not be more obvious.
Oh but america is somehow an exception to the world and if any one disagrees with them then they must not understand.....
American exceptionalism strikes again!
Most exceptional place in the world, so exceptional that nothing can be done to solve issues that have been solved elsewhere, and if you don't think so it's because you don't understand how exceptional it is!
Yes, clearly the issue is the rest of the world! And the us system is unchangable! Nothing could ever be done about a two party system, what would they possibly do?! We must not understand that if you are american and unhappy with party A^tm^ then you have no choice but to become a full blown party B^tm^ supporter! There is nothing else that can be done! And remember it is not any individuals/city/states fault as they voted for Kodos!
What are you doing to help?
Americans love their "France surrenders" memes, but when it comes to issues within their own country the response is always "there's nothing we can do, why aren't you fixing it for us?"
Not being an american, and active in my own community to make sure we never become even like you.
Thank you for your service.
And to them I say, "LEARN HOW THE FUCK ELECTIONS WORK IN THE US BEFORE TRYING TO LECTURE US"
WE DID LEARN! WE FIND IT NOT TO BE A DEMOCRACY! AND WHY ARE WE YELLING!
I think you know why
LOL.
/facepalm
Wow, I’ve managed to say a lot of things without using any words, apparently.
Yah and you painted the entire post with a broad brush already, you can't pretend to be offended.
I don’t even understand what you’re trying to say. How would you categorize my representation of “the entire post”? Please use quotes if possible.
This is just a weird, cynical take that makes you sound like the tankies who regularly escape .ml, where anyone who isn't marching in an olive drab jumpsuit with a red star is a "dem loving liberal."
It’s cynical, sure.
If you’re not a cynic towards politicians, you’re kind of a dumbass.
Why do you think that the establishment Dems aren’t backing this impeachment?
It was cynicism towards people in the post even before reading people's comments, it's deliberately inflammatory and I call that stupid attention-seeking shit out when I see it.
Watch out! The Tankie Terminator is on the scene!
Ok but that’s not what I said, so why make shit up? It hurts your feelings that much when people mention the DNC’s own actions?
Oh lord you're one of them. Never mind, another for the list.