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The Atlantic has published unredacted attack plans (non-paywall link) shared in a Signal group chat of senior Trump officials, including Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, CIA Director John Ratcliffe, and DNI Tulsi Gabbard.

Editor-in-chief Jeffrey Goldberg released the full texts after officials denied sharing war plans or classified information, arguing transparency was necessary amid accusations of dishonesty.

The leaked messages detailed U.S. military strikes targeting Houthis in Yemen.

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 28 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

The texts really highlight how much more dangerous Vance would be

He's Yale educated and put with his wife to become a "power couple" by the freaking "Tiger Mom" who's a Yale professor who gets lots of up and coming conservatives clerkships up to even the SC. Including Usha Vance with multiple now SC justices.

He's not some hillbilly bumpkin, he's incredibly dangerous, like the HW Bush to Reagan.

That's why I hate people always focusing on trump. trump is the distraction just like Reagan, both god awful humans aware of what they're doing, but not the ones really calling the shots, and the most replaceable of all the pieces.

[–] Flisty@mstdn.social 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Would people do what Vance told them to do though?

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

He's a couch fucker, but he's undeniably got more charisma than HW, and HW still beat Dukakis...

History rhymes bro

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_United_States_presidential_election

Which is easy when the last names never change I guess.

Senator Ted Kennedy of Massachusetts had been considered a potential candidate, but he ruled himself out of the race in the fall of 1985. Two other politicians mentioned as possible candidates, both from Arkansas, did not join the race: Senator Dale Bumpers and Governor and future President Bill Clinton. Joe Biden's campaign also ended in controversy after he was accused of plagiarizing a speech by Neil Kinnock, then-leader of the British Labour Party.[32] The Dukakis campaign secretly released a video in which Biden was filmed repeating a Kinnock stump speech with only minor modifications.[33] Biden later called his failure to attribute the quotes an oversight, and in related proceedings the Delaware Supreme Court's Board on Professional Responsibility cleared him of a separate plagiarism charge, leveled for plagiarizing an article during his law school.[34] This ultimately led him to drop out of the race. Dukakis later revealed that his campaign had leaked the tape, and two members of his staff resigned. Biden later ran twice more for the Democratic nomination, unsuccessfully in 2008 and successfully in 2020. He was inaugurated as the 47th vice president in 2009, serving two terms under President Barack Obama. In 2021, he became the 46th president, over 33 years after his first campaign for the office ended.

Al Gore, a senator from Tennessee, chose to run for the nomination. Turning 40 in 1988, he would have been the youngest man to contest the presidency on a major party ticket since William Jennings Bryan in 1896, and the youngest president ever if elected, younger than John F. Kennedy at election age and Theodore Roosevelt at age of assumption of office. He eventually became the 45th Vice President of the United States under Bill Clinton, then the Democratic presidential nominee in 2000, losing to George W. Bush, George H. W. Bush's son.

My point being, the Vance's are going to potentially be around another 30-40 years.

It took Biden 40 years to be VP, and a decade more to be president.

[–] tempest@lemmy.ca 5 points 6 days ago (2 children)

It does remain to be seen if Trump's cult of personality will carry on after him. Will be interesting to see how all these sycophants will shake out when it happens. I'm not sure Vance will come out on top.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Will be interesting to see how all these sycophants will shake out when it happens.

Exactly like with HW...

Or if you want to get away from Republicans: the Vances and the Clintons share an insane amount of pararells.

JD is no Bill as far as charisma, but they have similar backgrounds and married insanely smart women with very conservative economic beliefs very quickly after meeting them at Yale Law School then immediately getting into politics using their wives political connections as much as their own.

Like I said, history rhymes.

People need to stop being so shortsighted, or the wealthy are gonna keep winning off the same proven playbook.

They're all set to "third way" the Republican party and provide an alternative to trumpism when it fails and have the billionaire money behind them to try and fight a progressive in 28.

Do people honestly not see it coming?

[–] 100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it 2 points 5 days ago

I mean, Berlusconi's populism morphed into Salvini's own spin, but such a development doesn't translate well into American politics

[–] absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz 3 points 5 days ago

So if Vance takes over, will you then have a ottoman empire?

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

He's not some hillbilly bumpkin, he's incredibly dangerous, like the HW Bush to Reagan.

A one-term president who may have been much smarter than his predecessor but lacked the charisma and wasn't able to get much done as a result.

JD Vance is much smarter, but there's only one god emperor in this cult. If Trump died, the GOP would suddenly lack a focal point and would go back to infighting and chaos.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -1 points 5 days ago

You have zero idea about either of them...

But are very proud of your opinion it seems