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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has reaffimed his firm refusal to cede any territory, resisting U.S. pressure for a painful compromise with Russia as he continued to rally European support for Ukraine.

“Undoubtedly, Russia insists for us to give up territories. We, clearly, don’t want to give up anything. That’s what we are fighting for,” Zelenskyy said in a WhatsApp chat late Monday in which he answered reporters’ questions.

“Do we consider ceding any territories? According to the law we don’t have such right. According to Ukraine’s law, our constitution, international law, and to be frank, we don’t have a moral right either.”

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[–] nednobbins@lemmy.zip -4 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Do you have a better measure of the economy?

Both Russia and Ukraine are destroying each other's infrastructure do you have some data that shows Russia is suffering more from it than Ukraine is?

[–] deHaga@feddit.uk 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Real private consumption or net national product

I never claimed Ukraine was suffering less, don't twist my words. Russia invaded Ukraine, twice.

[–] nednobbins@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The whole point of looking at their economies instead of the front lines in this thread is to find an alternate estimate of the trend of the war. The fronts are steadily moving west. If the hope is to end the war by waiting for Russia's economy to collapse, it has to happen before Ukraine's does.

Russia doesn't need to have a strong economy for that, just stronger than Ukraine's.

[–] deHaga@feddit.uk 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

And? Did you look at those measures?

[–] nednobbins@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Yes. I can't see anything in those measures to suggest that economic factors will force Russia's hand in time to be useful to Ukraine.

We have some US and EU leaders who seem to be racing Russia to try to collapse their own economies first but there's still hope that wiser policies will prevail.

[–] deHaga@feddit.uk 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Lol Russia's economy is smaller than fucking Italy's you tankard

[–] nednobbins@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Tankard? Are you trying to create a portmanteau out of tankie and retard? Are you calling me a drinking vessel?

WTF?

[–] prex@aussie.zone 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] nednobbins@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Sure. That's a very reasonable measure too. Can you find GNI data that suggests that Russia's economy will collapse soon enough for it to be useful for Ukraine?

[–] prex@aussie.zone 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Not going to waste my time. How about Russia dipping into its gold reserves?

[–] nednobbins@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Not going to waste my time.

Then why even reply? The whole point of this thread is to examine evidence of realistic claims about Russia and Ukraine. If you present evidence that you haven' tbothered to look at yourself why would anyone think it supports your claim?

[–] prex@aussie.zone 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Sealion.
What evidience do you have? I never made a claim, I just provided a common metric that economists use to indicate indicate - something.

[–] nednobbins@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 days ago

I posted evidence at the top of the thread. You're the one saying it's not good enough so I'm suggesting that you should be the one to provide better evidence to the contrary.