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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has reaffimed his firm refusal to cede any territory, resisting U.S. pressure for a painful compromise with Russia as he continued to rally European support for Ukraine.

“Undoubtedly, Russia insists for us to give up territories. We, clearly, don’t want to give up anything. That’s what we are fighting for,” Zelenskyy said in a WhatsApp chat late Monday in which he answered reporters’ questions.

“Do we consider ceding any territories? According to the law we don’t have such right. According to Ukraine’s law, our constitution, international law, and to be frank, we don’t have a moral right either.”

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[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Trump is a russian asset. The majority of the USA and it's corporate overlords are not happy that trump has given away a fuck ton of our soft power.

Also russia promised not to invade Ukraine when they gave up their nukes...this has nothing to do with NATO, and everything to do with putin being an imperialistic fuck.

[–] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works -4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

No doubt imperialism is involved but I think we need to be realistic in recognizing that non-NATO countries do not see NATO as a defense alliance. They see it as an extension of the American empire/imperialism. With the Trump administration it seems like even America has come to see it that way.

In 2019, the US pulled out of the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty claiming that Russia had violated the treaty by developing, testing and fielding a ground‑launched cruise missile (GLCM) designated SSC‑8.

Independent analysts noted that the evidence for the Russian violation was contested, with some questioning the reliability of the U.S. claims and pointing out that the United States itself operated missile‑defense systems (e.g., Aegis Ashore) that could be interpreted as infringing the INF’s ban on land‑based intermediate‑range missiles.

This fed into their perception that if Ukraine joined NATO such weapons would pointed in their direction from Ukrainian territory.

On August 4, 2025, the Russian Federation announced the termination of its unilateral moratorium on deploying ground-launched intermediate-range (1,000–5,500 km) and shorter-range (500–1,000 km) missiles, six years after the US pulled out

Not good if you're a fan of denuclearization.

The tough thing about soft power is its built on trust so its unlikely America will be getting it back.

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They can not see NATO as a defense alliance all they want... that's literally what it is. And it's why countries join it when russia is trying to invade them. Even suggesting russia is acting in any sort of good faith is bullshit. They're the aggressor in Europe... period.

[–] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works -5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Well they started the war so there's no question they're the aggressor. But to mount a legitimate defense it is important to understand the factors that contributed to their choice and judge their legitimacy. Certain actions taken by the US are noteworthy.

If we assume we are good faith actors and whoever it is we are against are acting in bad faith then we fail to see the whole picture.

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Nothing the USA did, should warrant russia from invading its neighbors. Period. This is not a "well NATO" or "well USA". That's bullshit tankie/russian propaganda talk.

[–] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works -2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

The reality is the US has started numerous wars on shaky grounds / manufactured consent and we at least try to reflect on their rationale and judge whether there's any way for empire to be held accountable for war on false pretenses. In the US' case it essentially never is.

This is clearly a very Western leaning audience that is entrenched in their perspective which is totally fine. As long as it's understood that they are also perceiving reality through propaganda disemminated by their elites.

I don't support imperialism in general, regardless of where it comes from. I'm more interested in how empire justifies imperialistic behaviour and how its subjects align themselves to that behavior. This thread has been illuminating in that regard. I imagine there will be quite a few American supporters for war in Venezuela, for example.

I agree with you. Nothing the USA or any other party has done justifies Russia's war in Ukraine. But how the state justifies imperialism and how the subjects buy into and hold dearly their state's mistruths is a fascinating sight to behold.

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The reality is the US has started numerous wars on shaky grounds / manufactured consent and we at least try to reflect on their rationale and judge whether there's any way for empire to be held accountable for war on false pretenses. In the US' case it essentially never is.

Yea and a large portion of the USA is against those wars.

This is clearly a very Western leaning audience that is entrenched in their perspective which is totally fine. As long as it's understood that they are also perceiving reality through propaganda disemminated by their elites.

You don't need propaganda to know right and wrong. Israels genocide of Palestinians is wrong. Russia invading Ukraine is wrong.

I don't support imperialism in general, regardless of where it comes from. I'm more interested in how empire justifies imperialistic behaviour and how its subjects align themselves to that behavior. This thread has been illuminating in that regard. I imagine there will be quite a few American supporters for war in Venezuela, for example.

The problem is you're just say "but but USA bad"...and then trying to rationalize ruzzias bullshit with "but USA"...and no, only trump and his idiot friends want a Venezuelan war.

I agree with you. Nothing the USA or any other party has done justifies Russia's war in Ukraine. But how the state justifies imperialism and how the subjects buy into and hold dearly their state's mistruths is a fascinating sight to behold.

Which you seem to have eaten some russian propaganda.

[–] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I am pro democracy and anti imperialist. I take your point about whataboutism but I'm sure you can see how

Yea and a large portion of the USA is against those wars.

does not make for a good argument in favor of Western liberal democracy.