They built something worse and we're still promoted for it despite it being demonstrably worse. Where's the lie? They described something complex and techy sounding, did it, and got the promotion anyway regardless of the actual results, proving the results didn't matter.

[–] Lembot_0006@programming.dev -5 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

So you want the manager to be cleverer than the engineer in engineering, so the manager would be able to detect a deliberate lie from the engineer?

[–] ano_ba_to@sopuli.xyz 9 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Yes, but more competent, not cleverer. Some managers aren't fit to be in IT.

[–] Lembot_0006@programming.dev -1 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

You expect a manager to be more competent in engineering than an engineer? You expect the manager to always expect a lie from an engineer and recheck any data received from the engineer?

Well, we have very different ideas about how engineers and managers work.

[–] ano_ba_to@sopuli.xyz 7 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Technical managers exist. Yes, it's a manager's responsibility to understand the field he's working in. He doesn't need to be a more skilled engineer, but he needs to understand what his/her people are saying.

[–] Lembot_0006@programming.dev 0 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

but he needs to understand what his/her people are saying.

It isn't enough to detect deliberate lies from an engineer like in this case.

[–] ano_ba_to@sopuli.xyz 3 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

There are ways to know. Did the manager ask for proof of concept? Asked for performance tests of the update and compared it to existing/baseline?

[–] Lembot_0006@programming.dev 0 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Did the manager ask

How can I know? Plus engineer could easily lie as he did it right from the start.

[–] ano_ba_to@sopuli.xyz 2 points 21 hours ago

Of course don't just ask the engineer. Any piece of code written by the engineer should ultimately be tested by a separate testing team before getting pushed to production. Ideally you have a performance and regression testing team that would help evaluate the changes being introduced and how it compares with the existing.

[–] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 3 points 19 hours ago

I'd expect a manager to be able to determine that testing data for the new process is showing it is worse than the previous system it replaced, and NOT promote that person, at the very least ...