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This one seems very equal to me. Its a usually a tragedy to lose someone of either gender. I’m not upset if a rapist or murderer commits suicide, however, irrespective of their gender.

I don’t really get your point here, but there is something like 3x more men suicide than women suicide, and this is pretty much true everywhere in the world: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/male-female-ratio-suicides-rates

My point is that neither men's nor women's suicide are dismissed. A woman committing suicde is an equal tradegy to a man committing suicide. I'm not aware of any social convention which dismisses men's suicide. This is what I meant when I said they are equal. Society treats men's and women's suicide the same.

I’m not following where this is a detriment to men. Statistically and my own anecdotal observation, women are much more negatively affected by job inequality.

It really depends on the fields, you’re right in most, pretty much all, cases it is a detriment for women, but for example when it is about working with children men get less hired, and even when they get hired they have to be really careful about what they do, they quickly get called pedophiles.

First, you're right on your very specific example, but that is a very very very small representation of job inequality. However, even in the case of male and female elementary school teachers where you're calling out discrimnation, it is men that are out earning women in the same jobs as elementary school teachers.

Further, the scare around male teachers being around young children is a construct mostly from the last 20 to 25 years. Trying to use that as a statement to suggest that there is equal job (and pay!!) discrimination against both men and women would be disingenuous.

I can’t say I see that reflected in society. What I do see are some calling out specific issues (at least one you’ve raised above) as recently negatively affecting men, while the same issue has been negatively affecting women far worse and for far longer and that it had been ignored. It comes off as lack of self reflection and disingenuous where men have allowed women to suffer for years (decades? centuries?), but as soon as men are experiencing it too, its a crisis now!

When you complain about something happening to you as a men pretty much all the time either people tell you to “just man up” and/or they even just laugh at your face.

What you're describing is an example of "toxic masculinity". I see a lot of irony in you citing it here as supportive of a position that would negate the argument of discrimnation against women vs men.

In short, we both agree that "just man up" is a problem and that philosophy should be discarded, but it isn't on women to fix that when its largely perpetuated by men.

Certainly not all, but certainly lots and lots of bad things. Only 13 of the 193 UN member nations have ever had a woman leader of the nation. source I don’t see how anyone can say women are to blame for that, nor the policies those world leaders put into place.

People in power are responsible for most of the bad things in the world, the fact that they are mostly men doesn’t mean all men are responsible for this,

Strawman. I didn't say because men are in charge that all men are responsible. Thats a common strawman on this topic. Please don't introduce it here.

women in power do lot of bad things too(Indira Gandhi, Aung San Suu Kyi, Park Geun-hye, Elizabeth Holmes to name a few), but it’s because of the power and individuals values they have not because of their gender.

You're straying pretty far from the topic here. This isn't "women leaders good, men leaders bad". The point you're replying to is specifically in the context of defining public policy in which discrimination occurs. There have been so few women leaders, and their tenue in modern politics so short that I'm not sure if we can really measure very much impact (positive or negative) on discrimination yet.