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I would love this source: do they receive substantial funding, infrastructure and facilities, or personnel explicitly from Israel? What is their explicit tie to the government?
AFAIK (and I would really like to be wrong), this is a passion project by some absolutely terrible grifters.
You don't have to be payed by an government to be representative of it . Every single Israel state representatives and defender use the argument of antisemitism to refer to anybody who has the least amount of criticism of Israel and even humanizing Palestinians kids like Rachel did
I do not endorse the policy of "your group/organization is represented by all people who claim to advocate for it". I do not want leftism, Palestine, the US, democracy, lemmy, or any other organization to be judged on this basis. So I must ask for a more direct tie, if there are any.
Zionism however is not a broad ideology. It is specific to the use of violence to create hatred that makes coexistence impossible, in order to secure territory for a jewish-supremacist ethnostate.
The argument here being that stopantisemitism is zionist and thus pro Israel? Sure. I still think a better title would name the organization. What's the argument for the vague and not specific title?
Israel entire history is about surrounding countries hating them for antisemitism and security concern bullshit and nobody talked about people , I am talking about state policies that rarely represent the people of a country and this dumb organization use the same exact strategy. I don't know why it's hard for you to understand such single logic
To check that I understand you: you are saying that Israel has used the label of antisemitism in a dishonest, vague, and harmful way as a tool to silence critics?
If so, we agree on this.
You are also saying that Israel deserves to be blamed/shamed for this behavior?
If so, we agree on this.
To me, this news item is about a particularly heinous (and I believe fundamentally American) grift that needs to be noticed and focused on. I think 'Pro-Israel group' could be replaced with the more precise and explicit "stopantisemitism" and it would improve the title. I think there are better (and endlessly many) examples of the government of israel doing this, but fewer opportunities to explicitly pile on to stopantisemitism. I am making a quibble about priorities.
I am simply saying that this org are simply using antisemitism to oppress anybody who criticize Israel occupation or even humanize Palestinians kids exactly like Israeli consecutives governments has been doing since it's creation
The group repeat Israel government propaganda and rhetoric so I don't understand your criticism of the title of the article. Only mentioning the group name would make it look like it is a legitimate antisemitism group
I agree with the analogy. Your simple point is a fine one.
I think there is an opportunity to make a more specific point, that requires no analogy, is shorter and more precise, still works towards your political priorities (assuming you do want Israel shamed for this kind of behavior), and (I think) has a better chance of making specific, incremental, progress in political discourse. That change is to replace "Pro-Israel group" with "stopantisemitism" in the title. The analogy can be easily made in the OP body, comments, and likely springs to any readers mind. It also removes the potential for kibbitzing by apologists about how 'oh but this is really an american org'.
That's the simple change that I'm suggesting.
No, the current title title is the right title. The group has not a single unique talking point everything is copypasta of Israeli ridiculous claims. Like the claim of Palestinians using dolls and fake blood to fasly accuse Israel of killing babies
Your criticism would be right if you has a single evidence that this group has ever criticized the government of Israel and criticized the genocide or has ever show some empathy to Gazans but right now your argument is factually wrong
https://archive.ph/20250531185109/https://slate.com/technology/2025/05/israel-gaza-war-news-palestine-pallywood.html#selection-1159.0-1191.1
Please explain why my "criticism" would be stronger if stopantisemitism were ever an anti-israeli body. I don't understand that at all. This would show they have principles, instead of being a grift.
Plenty of other orgs have useful idiots and fans. They are 'pro-Israel', but I don't think that's the most useful descriptor or context.
The group repeat the same exact Israeli state and government lies and propaganda so they are 100% pro Israel group. Denying that is like denying that 1 +1 = 2
Yes, they are pro-Israel. They are also an american grift that's very profitable.
I feel like you're saying 2 is an even number, and I'm saying it's also literally 2. Specificity has value, and I think there should be a good reason to be vague instead of specific.
I will ask again: why is my argument for changing the title stronger if stopantisemetism were anti-Israel?
Explain how it is not a good title to use the designation of Pro Israel group in the title when the group has the exact same propaganda as the Israeli government
I am not interested in telling you that you have done bad. I am interested in telling you that you could do better. I think this change is an improvement because:
You are talking past this person's point for some reason. They're just saying you should use "Pro Israel group, StopAntisemitism,..." and they're not wrong? Why in the world are you so dead set on being clear in the title who exactly this scumbag organization is??