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[–] kokesh@lemmy.world 18 points 23 hours ago (6 children)

How. How does this work? They lose astronomical amounts of money. Without a prospect to ever make enough to be in plus, not even talking about paying off all the investments. How does this system work? I never understand. Same with US economy.

[–] tym@lemmy.world 21 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

sooner than later, "agentic AI" will replace the "employee cost burden". I presume they'll charge per AI agent and produce revenue at scale.

everything you see in politics nowadays is a race against the clock to create infrastructure to "deal with" the unwashed, unemployed, hungry masses. UBI is not going to win out over soylent green.

Here's the first admission I've found of what's on the way: https://fortune.com/2025/11/20/gen-z-college-grad-unemployment-could-hit-25-percent-warns-us-senator-unprecedented-disruption-ai/

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 12 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

This all presumes that OpenAI can get there and further is exclusively in a position to get there.

Most experts I've seen don't see a logical connection between LLM and AGI. OpenAI has all their eggs in that basket.

To the extent LLM are useful, OpenAI arguably isn't even the best at it. Anthropic tends to make it more useful than OpenAI and now Google's is outperforming it on relatively pointless benchmarks that were the bragging point of OpenAI. They aren't the best, most useful, or cheapest. The were first, but that first mover advantage hardly matters when you get passed.

Maybe if they were demonstrating advanced robotics control, but other companies are mostly showing that whole OpenAI remains "just a chatbot", with more useful usage of their services going through third parties that tend to be LLM agnostic, and increasingly I see people select non OpenAI models as their preference.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 hours ago

But, but... surely, the most important AI application of all time, my OpenAI girlfriend, who truly loves me beyond all monetization opportunities, will never be replaced by a hotter newer model.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 hours ago

UBI is not going to win out over soylent green.

Establishment prefers solylent green solution to unneeded slavery for sure. UBI is an obvious winning political platform, even though it does not provide the proponents with maximum political power, the way that bandaids on oligarchist supremacism still allows for supremacism and soylent green to rise as the solution.

Simply, the answer, is to reject establishment politics, including Bernie as controlled opposition proposing nonsense that gets shot down for its stupidity, instead of UBI.

Also, an MIT study released today, said 135m US jobs could be replaced with AI agents.

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 16 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Simple, you invest in the company, wait for the stock price to grow and sell before it collapses. Everyone knows it will collapse eventually but for now there's still money to be made.

[–] kokesh@lemmy.world 6 points 20 hours ago

I think you just explained it to me so I finally understood. Thanks!

[–] W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 3 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

What if it’s not a publicly traded company like OpenAI?

[–] realitista@lemmus.org 7 points 21 hours ago

Same deal but you sell to other investors.

[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 hours ago

You always have to think like a scammer. Sure, OpenAI isn't public yet. But there are many other industries that are piggybacking on OpenAI and related services. So you can invest in them instead.

[–] demonsword@lemmy.world 14 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

AI companies will try to worm their way inside governments around the world, to "enhance" them. Then they'll become "essential" cost of running said governments, being "impossible" to remove without serious disruption.

[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 5 points 18 hours ago

He who controls the spice, controls the universe.

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 3 points 16 hours ago

Because companies don't do R&D anymore, they fund startups and aquire them when they're ripe

Being able to replace workers with AI is a holy Grail for capitalism, and so a ton of companies have poured their saved up "R&D funds" in order to get in early

[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 hours ago

Well, the stock market on the whole is about gambling. Legalized gambling that fucks over small-time investors. So ... why should long-term viability matter? The gamblers want their cash, that's what they're there for, and they don't care about bankruptcy or mass economic collapse.