To be more precise, people here are more like themselves and don't use self-censorship, communicating like bots.
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Im sorry but what????
Do you think the Nazis were killing jews on day one? Fascism doesn't only become fascism once they've done the big bad thing and the credits are rolling. It w was still fascism way before the gas chambers were spooled up.
By all accounts, the progress of their team this term has been faster than hitlers rise to power. There isn't really any reason to just assume it will stop itself when hes been able to bounce off any sort of semblance of consequences for his actions thus far.
Thats most politicians to some degree and something hitler also did, like where he co-opted various labels to dismantle them.
I'm not sure I see the reasoning to think it can't be both.
I mean I really don't really disagree it just doesn't feel exactly right to call it that, I guess I can give some reasons for it. For instance only about 35% of the population even voted for Trump, so he doesn't really have the support of the people. Our democratically elected officials are still voting on bills, and they are still (mostly) being signed off by the president. The FCC did TRY to silence someone, but the will of the people made it not happen. They do try and suppress protestors from speaking against the government, but it's been largely pretty ineffective, minus the random brutality.
I think it's also just the reasons someone is doing something matters, even if it practically doesn't. If trump fires all the judges that disagree with him and appoints people that agree with him, the reason is narcissism and hurt ego, and the effects are fascist. Which is why I would say fascist actions rather than a fascist, which might be a meaningless distinction but to some it's not.
The Nazi party got 43% of the votes the election before secondary parties were banned. They had 88% turnout. This means they had 37.8% of the population vote for them.
Its extremely common for people to really, out of an excess of optimism and fear hope that clearly the nazis were so obviously different, but that wasn't the case.
The Nazi party in that last relatively free 1933 election had to form a coalition government. None of that meant that they weren't fascists.
The idea that they don't really have the immediate majority support of the people is not relevant to the damage that followed. Support can be manufactured by guns and threat of financial and social ruin.
The same things were applying at this point in time in Nazi Germany. They just started to do increasingly wild illegal things and had their fire hose of falsehood machines up and running. There were continuous events of large scale that if they occurred on their own would take over news cycles for months, just like are occurring now. Rights were being dismantled just like they are now.
Many things pretty strongly align with the idea that this very well might have been the last fair election.
Did it? or was this, as their strategies have been, to repeatedly do heinous things until they are normalized.
What actually happened here? Rights were flagrantly violated, then they soft backtracked, and then they issued the same threats again (on going) where they will likely backtrack less this time, and so on.
No one was punished. No one is in jail. The people in power then, are still in power now.
If it practically doesn't, it practically doesn't.
Why did hitler act the way he acted? We aren't sure, but the results of this unhinged hateful man leading their country became obvious.
I would just say there are some differences even still. Trump is massively losing support even with the republicans, because most care more about the economy and inflation than whatever random agenda trump decides on that day. The firehose of falsehood I agree with, but it seems they're incompetent even at that because most still blamed the government shutdown on Republicans. Many states are fighting against the consolidation of power and the illegal acts, like California's redistricting and the massive protests around the country.
I'm aware of the polyanya principle but in this case it feels like most of the country isn't just unified in not supporting him, it seems most are actively against him. The no kings protests were the 2nd largest in US history, and all the people actively fighting against ICE shows me people aren't afraid to fight back. Also just the incompetence, ICE is a bunch of untrained overweight thugs, rather than a strong military force. The national guard being deployed to Oregon is maybe a special case since the idea that Portland was a war zone somehow was a conspiracy for quite a while. If that happened across the country I think we'd see massive revolt.
I mean maybe it's similar to what happened in China, where they can suppress it but everyone has phones so it's extremely difficult to actually hide it. Pretty much everyone in America heard about the Jimmy Kimmel firing, and if something like that happens again it's a free viral story. I would agree they're trying to normalize it, and they will try to keep taking it further and further, but we still have a ways to go considering the country's reaction.
I mean not false, but to some people it really matters the reason. If you tell an average person "trump is a fascist" they may or may not believe you, but if you say trump is a narcissist who wants to be surrounded by yes men and fires anyone who disagrees with him and tries to get more power, almost everyone would agree. The effect is essentially the same but the intent behind it makes it feel different to people. I think maybe I would say they're trying to be fascist, but they don't have the support /brainpower or the ability to hide it very well.