They put effort into their possessions and want to keep them. Fine, socialism is workers owning the means of production, the only thing you can't own under socialism is a business that employs other people in a hierarchical fashion. You can still own a business where you are self employed. You can still own property, goods, purchase services, etc. you can even hire contractors to help your business.

But this poster seems to be operating on the less well defined "socialism is when the government does things to help people." I think being against that is cruel to the point of psychopathy. But you can't reason people out of positions they didn't reason themselves into, so instead I made a sarcastic comment.

[–] Artisian@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I personally like to remember that people reading might hold the bad faith point (or something near it) in good faith, and answer to that. I think ELI5 as a community really shouldn't have much sarcasm or dunking on folks, see rule 3 (and if you feel something is so bad faith it deserves it, maybe report it for rule 3?).

I think there are libertarians who hold this particular view without psychopathy: they might reason that governments are usually at the wrong scale to do things to help people, and that other systems outside of government should fill those gaps. There are plenty of libertarians that like/endorse/support people helping people in trade guilds, service organizations, and churches. I think there are leftists that make similar arguments sometimes, especially those that dislike hierarchy.

[–] Triasha@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

Thank you for explaining honestly.