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[–] thefluffiest@feddit.nl 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Let’s be clear here, Marx did say true communism can only emerge after capitalism has had its full run. That would setup all the necessary production processes that could then be seized and made to work for the people.

A lot can be said about Winnie and his friends, but they arguably got Marx a whole lot better than the MLs

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 12 points 1 day ago

But a large part of the argument made by Marx involves the existence of a bourgeois revolution to bring bourgeois democracy, which then brings about the conditions necessary for a proletarian revolution, both in the creation of a strong proletariat (by the development of capitalism) and the development of class consciousness (by the contradictions inherent in bourgeois democracy and the activity of the proletariat themselves within it).

I would argue that the entire "Capitalist dictatorship trying to develop capital but painted red" doesn't 'get' Marx any more than "Anti-capitalist dictatorship trying to develop capital." You can argue that the capitalist dictatorship is 'closer' to the development outlined by Marx, but by a Marxist analysis, what they're doing is setting up the conditions for a bourgeois revolution.

And quite clearly, the current PRC is not interested in assisting a bourgeois revolution in overthrowing them. Few governments are interested in their own destruction.