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[–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I think you’re oversimplifying when the social consequences for being seen as weak or effeminate have (even in recent history) been so harsh for men and boys. Very often this behavior is abused into boys, with parents (not just dads, but moms too) sometimes going as far as murdering boys they think are gay.

That doesn’t mean men aren’t responsible for their own behavior, but IMO this needs to be understood as an abusive practice foisted on boys from the time they’re old enough to act on their own in any way, a sort of culturally accepted PTSD imprinted on boys. Framing being caught in this cycle of abuse as being somehow weak or unmasculine is itself participating in the abusive structure it is speaking out against.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think you’re oversimplifying when the social consequences for being seen as weak or effeminate have (even in recent history) been so harsh for men and boys

I grew up on a farm and worked construction, played sports thru college, then joined the military. Raised by and around other men who make my life seem like a cakewalk.

Every stereotypically "manly" group I've been apart of, dudes are all emotionally open because they're secure in their masculinity.

When boys/men think they're acting "tough" by suppressing their emotions, they're not copying men who are actually tough, they're copying other people's false bravado.

That's the entire point of what I'm saying.

All the posturing only impresses other people that are posturing.

the abusive structure

And literally anyone can stop buying into it at anytime...

If they don't, they're perpetrating it.

It's the easiest thing in the world to stop caring what douchebags think is "manly" and that's literally all it takes to fix this

If any problem could be solved by ‘just do x’ it would have been solved already. I grew up in the same sort of environment you did, except the men in my life very much bought into the culture of toxic masculinity. It wasn’t until I started to research my own family history and saw the horrific abuse that my father, grandfather, and great-grandfather experienced and perpetuated that I really made the connection between the cycle of abuse, PTSD, and toxic masculinity.

For people that can just drag themselves out of that mire on their own without any help, great. But some need to be pointed in the right direction and to work through all the trauma that was inflicted on them.