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Fine, let her be expelled to be free of those jackoffs, but put him in jail for creating and distributing child pornography.
Oh wait, our system is too screwed up for that.
It's not justice to sacrifice children on the altar of moral outrage. They are both children. One of whom needs serious repercussions to help them learn a valuable lesson that unfortunately doesn't come easy to everyone.
I'm sorry, but my perspective is that a child who goes that far over the line needs to be punished and made an example. Then again, I'm not in a mood to be kind toward any variety of child pornographer.
And in this case, as I said, I see the expulsion as freeing her from their clutches.
Sure, let's take a messed up kid, who had no choice in how they were raised, with almost no worldly experience, who's brain isn't even fully developed yet, and throw them into a costly system almost guaranteed to turn them into a repeat offender.
I'd rather see people bitch about a lax system and see more reformed criminals than feel the short term thrill of retaliation.
I'm not going to validate my right to be compassionate by proving I've known shit people and had shit experiences.
More to the point, I believe you're referring to sociopathy and psychopathy when you talk about a lack of empathy, but that's old science. Newer research shows improvement, especially with early intervention, in treatment of antisocial personality disorders. Psychiatric treatment of comorbities shows overall improvement in symptoms. And, recent studies on ASPD in neuroscience reveal that cognitive empathy isn't a sliding scale, it's a gamut, and it's not even consistent within an individual. So IF someone has ASPD and we're not just going to kill them, the best option is still evidence-based care.
It's difficult to diagnose cognitive empathy disorders at a young age, but it's possible the kid has a conduct disorder — which, along with ASPD, almost certainly has genetic groundwork but is strongly tied to early cognitive development (how he was raised,) and family history.
Regardless of what he has or where he came from, restorative justice is still more effective across the board socially and economically. I think of the worst people I've ever known when I consider my view of justice, and I still believe in restorative measures. I'm not only compassionate because I have empathy, but because evidence shows corporal punishment increases recidivism, exacerbates and often causes mental health disorders, and is ultimately an expensive monolith to an outdated belief in justice that isn't based in fact.
Do I want every lying, cheating, violent piece of shit to face justice? Hell yeah I do. But I want that justice to be JUST and actually fix society instead of taking the bad and making them worse.
I deleted my comment before you could reply because I knew you were going to give me a long windbag answer that I would absolutely not fucking read, and I was right. You are responding to a deleted post. That means I don’t care anymore and you win. Please leave me alone.
I wrote that over three hours ago, not long after you commented. It was still up when I responded.
You should probably read it. It's informative.
Yes they need to be punished. This is absolutely a serious crime. But kids make mistakes. We didn't evolve to put this kind of power in the hands of children.
Not the juvie hall, then adult prison, sex offender registry fucked for life kinda punishment.
Like 5 years community service. Court mandated therapy from a psychologist to imprint upon them the serious nature of their error and direct the child to more appropriate behaviours while also evaluating that the kid isn't just in the early stages of a blooming adult freakshow. He needs to understand himself and why he did it, what he thought was going to happen. Empathy and foresight skills development.
We don't 'punish and make an example' out of children in civilized society.
We educate them, allow for reform. Until the child has a mostly formed prefrontal cortex, they shouldn't receive 'adult' type consequences. They literally are not developed enough mentally to grasp all of life's rights and wrongs. That's not to say they don't have a gauge of morality, or some concept of what they think Right is, it's just not all the way fleshed out and their poor stupid neuron-developing brain doesn't fire the way it's going to later in life.
My experience has been that once CSAM gets into a guy's head, at any age, it never leaves. That's what needs to be stopped.
The kid was likely 13. He should face consequences, but a 13 year old doesn't have the mental development to understand the horrific repercussions for something like that. Throwing a 13 year old in juvenile detention for something like this won't do him any good. Mandatory community service and probation are much more appropriate