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Okay, what you're misunderstanding is that what a political or social philosophy is differs from how it is colloquially referred to. It does not mean, "a person who values people" and if you knew the history of this brutal system you'd see just how insidious such an assertion is. Yes, "liberal" is an abused term in NA as it benefits liberalism (yes, capitalism is liberalism and vice versa) through the occlusion of any alternative way to understand the world. When they say that liberals are radical socialists, they are purposefully misrepresenting what socialism and social justice is. They are not talking about liberalism when they use it that way. Liberalism is fundamentally an individualist way to understand the world that emerged through the processes of European imperialism and settler-colonialism after the sixteenth century (but we really consider it recognizable once they start talking about republics and individual liberties at the turn of the nineteenth century. You'll see why in a moment). Private property is at the center of its way of organizing and the value of individual human bodies (not beings) is built not despite of that but to facilitate it. Racism, sexism, and heteronormativity are all systemic constructions that emerged to devalue human bodies relative to their position in the hierarchy and consequently the form of exploitation they experienced in the service of white-settler-colonial reproduction. (i.e. Slavery preexisted chattel slavery and racialization. Chattel slavery was made possible through the naturalization of an othered group as deserving of generational forced labour, and so racialization emerged as a means of rationalizing that violence).
"Capitalism" refers to a social order wherein capital is the primary organizing principle in society, which is to say individual pursuit of capital. It is described economically by its imperatives of profit maximization and infinite growth, both hallmarks of colonial perceptions of land and bodies as commodities. It is the economic system that settler-colonial countries grew into because it is already consistent with how they viewed the world.
Liberalism's appropriation of "progress" and civil rights ("equality") is how this social order effectively responded to challenge of the hierarchy. The narrative that people "earn" their rights through civil disobedience presupposes that what we imagine to be rights is in fact an absolute truth that we either restrict or permit access to. Conveniently, those rights are legally constructed in terms of pursuit of capital and private property as a metric of human fulfillment. The black Civil Rights movements of the mid-twentieth century is imagined to end when the Civil Rights Act was passed in 1968, which intentionally secures the state's authority over the determination of inequality and redirects challenges to racism into the legal framework of the state. When Black Liberationist militant groups persisted, you get the War on Drugs and the Prison Industrial Complex (which is itself enabled through the legal end of slavery that still permitted forced labour of prisoners). There are many other examples of how this works, but slavery and racism tend to be very clear demonstrations. Message me if you want a reading list.
What you have done here is made the understandable mistake of assuming how the words are used is exactly what they mean, and yes language is fluid which is why they push these misuses in the first place. Make no mistake though, these are not distinct ways of organizing society, they are cooperative in their endeavour to reduce the living world to property. When you see this, liberal inaction at climate change is not only comprehensible, but expected.
If what you're saying is true, it doesn't explain why the greatest increase in capitalism has historically occurred under governments that were not liberal (by the dictionary definition. Or my simplistic one.)
Unless, that is, that what you're saying is that all the pro-capitalist governments were liberal by your definition (or some redefinition to which you and certain others believe is, or should be, correct). That, I think, is a ridiculous way to go about things, and smacks of trying to steal the word or besmirch people who would otherwise use that word to describe themselves.
In short, I think you're being disingenuous.
Compadre, I don't know how you could think someone would spend that much time trying to explain something to you and be completely faking.
Yes, that is what it is. It is not my definition, it's how the people who study these topics professionally use the terms. You can take your time to live with it.
You: what does this word mean?
Them: five paragraphs of explanation.
You: I dunno… seems fishy.
Me: The Earth is round.
Them: Several seemingly legitimate paragraphs, patiently explaining that it's flat.
Me: ...
Someone else brought up the term "neoliberal" and I might have gone along with that. A prefix can do a lot of heavy lifting in allowing the rest of a word to mean something else entirely, even opposing the original meaning.
What I'm gathering is that economists have redefined the original word, and what I think of as liberal, they call progressive.
Liberals have never been progressive.
My guy, you're the anti-intellectual person here. I've been nice and here you are getting to extreme levels of arrogance.
Could you tell us all how you learned about what these words mean? Have you gone to university for it? Are there any professional educators you follow that offer free courses or lessons? Could you name any books you've learned from? You mentioned looking it up earlier, where?
Apparently I've misunderstood the word liberal every time it's been used across my life in the same way that people think that "epitome" is pronounced "ep-i-toam" because they've only ever read it.
When I looked up liberal, one of the places I looked was https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/liberal but I did not click through to liberalism, which might have taught me a thing or two.
But please note the bit at the bottom of the link where the meaning has recently split into meaning "leftist" which is a lot closer to what I thought it meant... so apparently it hasn't been just me getting it wrong, but a significant portion of the English-speaking world.
Did you seriously not read my explanation and then called it disingenuous? That's in there.
Edit: This response is not showing up where I want it to. I can't tell whether my stupidity is preventing me from replying in the right place or this interface is suddenly acting screwy. @orioler25@lemmy.world
Perhaps I should reword one of my previous comments:
Me: The Earth is flat.
Them (You): Several paragraphs patiently explaining that it's round.
Me: ...
Sensible things look a lot like lies when you're stood on your head.
Perhaps I should reword one of my previous comments:
Me: The Earth is flat.
Them: Several paragraphs patiently explaining that it's round.
Me: ...
Sensible things look a lot like lies when you're stood on your head.