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I enjoy beef for its flavor, culinary versatility in cuisine, and its natural complex amino acid density compared to other protein sources.
That said, the mass production of beef is a public health and environmental crisis. What I pay for "ethically" sourced beef is what it should be priced at per gram in every market, if I were calling the shots.
Impossible beef is to the point where it's almost indistinguishable from real meat, and has a complete amino acid profile. If you haven't tried it yet, I'd highly recommend picking some up! Their burger patties are especially good in an air fryer.
lysine, just eat more legumes.
Yes, because as we all know, if you're craving a nice steak a bowl of lentils will be totally satisfying.
or learn to cook? red meat eaters have all kinds of diseases from chronic inflammation.
I don't think that's an argument for legumes. I'm a hell of a cook now and when I make beef wellington, confit lamb, or curry goat I'm demonstrating a lot more skill than I did back in college when legumes featured more heavily in my menu.
It's more than just lysine. Too much of any one food is not good for anyone. There are definite carcinogenic effects of eating too much red meat, especially when prepared in certain ways.
However,
How do you ethically take someone’s life from someone when that someone doesn’t want to die?
Do you consider animals (other than homo sapiens) "people" with "natural rights" to life?
If so, then there's no way for ethical animal husbandry for human consumption.
However, my opinion is that we homo sapiens are animals, along with other ancient hominids and current high primates, and we are omnivorous predators. Our prey's opinion on its right to life is inconsequential to whether we kill it to eat it or not.
Hypothetically similar to a brown bear hunting hikers along a trail through Yellowstone. The bear doesn't care if a hiker wants to live or not; it wants to eat the human.
We may be omnivores, perhaps, but that means we can eat animal flesh or plants. Why would we kill 2T animals a year when we don’t need to?
Yeah... that was my point. Meat for humans in the contemporary era should cost more, there should be far less consumption per capita, and meat producers shouldn't be so cruel to the animals. However, some of us enjoy animal flesh. Some of us are in fact healthier when we consume it. We can consume animal flesh in a better way.
If you're healthier consuming meat than you would be consuming a plant-based diet, you're a statistical outlier. Most people would be healthier with a plant-based diet.
Most people would be healthier eating more plants because most people (in the US) eat too much meat and not enough plants as it is. That doesn't mean that meat is inherently unhealthy
Thank you, sincerely, for putting into simple words what I've been trying to explain to self-righteous militant vegans with little success.
Too much of one thing (in this case, meat) is bad for you. Measured and monitored diversity in one's diet is optimal.
Here's a great article explaining the risks and benefits of meat consumption.
All animal ag is cruel. You can't take the life of an animal who wants to live without it being cruel.
My "cruelty" in consuming animal flesh is acceptable to me as I am an omnivore.
Let's give brown bears the right to vote if there's no difference in ethical agency or social responsibility between them and us, as you claim to believe. We can set up polling booths at the salmon streams.
I don't understand. Is your argument that bears do have ethical and social responsibility regarding humans?
Try to reread your comment and mine, and think about it a little longer.
Here's a language model's take on this thread.
That reply commits a logical fallacy. It's an example of Reductio ad Absurdum (or Appeal to Ridicule) and a Straw Man, intentionally misrepresenting my point to make it sound ridiculous.
My argument was about biological reality (humans are omnivorous predators) to defend the consumption of ethically sourced meat. Your counter-argument shifted the focus to an absurd political non-issue.
Your Logical Fallacy Explained
I used the bear analogy to highlight our fundamental nature as predators. I did not suggest we run for Congress together. The debate is about biological capacity and the ethical choices we make with that capacity, not about who gets a ballot.
Edited for clarity.
You seem to be completely unaware of my point, but I am not interested in arguing with autocomplete. In the future, maybe try having the courage to think with your human mind. I'll once again encourage you to reread the comment chain and think about your argument and my joke about it. Since you're a fan of philosophy buzzwords, here's some further reading:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is%E2%80%93ought_problem
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_nature
Since we're having so much fun, here's another language model's critique of your reply:
Yes, I did use a language model to analyze and structure my previous reply. My goal was to provide the most logically precise critique of the fallacy in your response.
Your choice was to attack the source of the critique, call my argument 'autocomplete,' and question my 'human mind.' If a logically sound, structured argument—even one assisted by AI—is superior to your subsequent move of simply linking two Wikipedia articles, that reflects poorly on the substance of your own position.
Your attempt to paint me as a sophist relying on 'buzzwords' while your contribution is uncontextualized links to remedial philosophy is a textbook example of intellectual posturing. An accusation that admittedly could be leveled at me for using an AI to detail your logical fallacies, if it wasn't for the fact that you had already shifted the tone with their dismissive "voting bears"
My argument was not a simple Appeal to Nature. You committed a Straw Man by reducing my statement—that humans are omnivorous predators with an ethical duty to minimize suffering—to the claim that humans and bears share identical ethical agency.
I used the bear analogy to establish the 'Is' (our biological capacity for predation).
'Ought' (the ethical duty to source meat humanely) is evident in the initial comment I made to someone else, which you glossed over on purpose.
My core point is that we apply our higher ethical reasoning to how we fulfill our natural capacity. Your 'voting bears' reply failed to address the ethical distinction I explicitly made.
My call for ethically sourced meat consumption is the direct result of applying the 'Ought' to the 'Is.' I accept the biological reality but reject the factory farming industry based on ethical and environmental responsibilities. You rely on disingenuous debate tactics intended to dismiss the premise.
sapere aude, my friend
Cows aren't people
why don't you believe an animal who is capable of feeling love, pain, curiousity etc is worthy of living their life? They are sentient beings.
They paid more for it, so that makes it okay
Yes, it's better to eat meat from animals that aren't "factory-farmed", which is, as one would expect, more expensive.
My slaves are ethically sourced, I paid more for them. It's a shame people can't see how good I am.
Calling animals slaves doesnt bring people to your cause, they just roll their eyes at you and move on.
Don’t bother. It’s a cult.
The historical context of human chattel slavery, which involved systematic racism, dehumanization, and violence is unique in its human dimension.
I think that many people, particularly those from historically oppressed groups, would find your attempted comparison a deeply offensive false equivalency and reductive of human suffering.
Fun fact: Even holocaust survivors called what we do to animals another holocaust.
Fun fact: I already said humans should avoid "factory farmed" meat.
Thankfully they have you to tell them when to be offended. Fuck off.
There's no way you could have known, but I am, by blood, part of one of those historically enslaved groups I mentioned.
So, please, with all that "love" in your heart, gargle my balls while you continue straw-manning, falsely equating, and morally posturing on the internet.
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I’d ask if you could be any more pretentious but I bet you could be.
Big science words too hard for you or something?
Cool story, hoe.
Anyway, here's some smart people writing about amino acids in "red" meat.
Or are they PrEtEnTiOuS too?
No, I get it. They're obviously industry plants.
Edit: Wrong article fixed. But yeah, so pretentious.
Because you seem concerned about complete protein sources here are some other sources
So what exactly about the "complex amino acid density" of beef do you enjoy?
Well, you snide douchebag, as I said before, I like beefs culinary versatility, or if that's too pretentious for you, it tastes good.
As far as amino acids go:
There's a lot more in there, but big word scary, I know.
That isn’t specific to beef but go off.
You seem like the sort that eats testicles because some influencer shilled it.
Cool story, hoe. You seem like the sort who masturbates to picture of you masturbating.
Keep malding about nothing.
Hoe? Are you some micro penis frat reject?
When you masturbate to a picture of yourself masturbating, make sure you think of me eating a steak and "enjoying" my amino acids when you orgasm.