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[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 61 points 1 day ago (2 children)

following orders

Now what does that remind of...

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 47 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Every military ever.

The concept that a soldier is able to disobey an illegal order is flawed. The first thing that happens to them is being thrown in jail awaiting court martial. It's then on them to prove the order illegal be ause the presumption is that it was legal. It becomes one person against the whole military apparatus.

The penalty if found guilty of refusing to obey orders? At minimum (in the US) a dishonorable discharge. At most a room on death row.

I still think soldier should refuse illegal orders, but the system is setup so they don't.

[–] xenomor@lemmy.world 14 points 23 hours ago

I for one am 100% done with giving soldiers any grace on these matters.

[–] TheGoldenV@lemmy.world 5 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

You should update your minimum. In the US military It’s actually an NJP to start. You can request court martial if desired and it goes from there.
Dishonorable discharge is very rare and you’re likely to end up with an OTH or BCD if the “infraction” is significant. I’d rather have some jail time than shoot civilians tbh.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 8 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

Not even an NJP if you're a Nuke. I've told admirals to their face that I wasn't going to break the book to follow their stupid orders. I realize we are the prima donnas of the military though, and I wasn't just a Nuke.

[–] facelessbs@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago (2 children)
[–] mx_smith@lemmy.world 5 points 19 hours ago

It’s someone who works on a nuclear powered ship. You have to take extra tests to get on a nuke and they only allow the smartest ASVAB scores to take the test.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 4 points 19 hours ago

Navy Nuclear Power Program Member

[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 2 points 13 hours ago

The US has no draft, they choose to join, so they can go fuck themselves.
Assassins paid with taxpayer money, that's all they are.

[–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Well we just have to make sure the consequences for obeying orders to commit war crimes are worse than what their superiors can dish out for disobeying those orders.

[–] Kn1ghtDigital@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 day ago

You always have a choice.