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Those who used it imagined Swiss law to be less intrusive? I suppose it sounds like a good idea to anyone, which is mostly everyone, who doesn't know Swiss law.
Yeah, they rolled over to the authority, as expected. But, they sold themselves as "private", not "private up to the extent of Swiss law, and our laws here are very intrusive, so really the private part isn't going to get anyone very far if they use this service for anything slightly questionable, let alone outright illegal. You might as well be using GMail for how 'private' this thing is."
Their service IS private. Their service is not anonymous, and they never claim it is. Privacy does not equal anonymity, and I wish you people would get that through your thick skulls and stop criticizing someone for doing the exact same thing you would do, in their position.
Nice, this proton apologist knows what everyone would do in their position.
yeah, I totally believe you would go to prison for a random person. in fact, all of us are stupid enough to believe that bullshit. so noble. so principled. a true paragon.
Originally the CEO said they would pack up and leave Switzerland if the government continued its course.
So apparently there is more than just one option.
Hey, I get it. When you put all your eggs in one basket you are committed. Personally I don't commit to any corporation, especially ones that try to sell "privacy".
it doesn't matter if they intend on leaving the country, until they do they still have to fulfill any legal orders they get. they can't get an order, then decide they won't comply, and just leave the country. it would make them fugitives, wanted in any countries that have extradition treaties with their government. you're not an idiot, even if you're pretending to be in the hopes that I won't point out the obvious stupidity in your argument. so why don't you do us both a favor and stop doing your best impression.
Companies balk at legal orders all the time.
Listen, you are just wrong at this point and you keep digging yourself deeper looking more and more ridiculous.
Do you own stock in Proton or something or are you just a subscriber? Because your relentless fanboyism gets old quick.
says the one saying Proton should fuck themselves over to earn the goodwill of some random person on the internet with more idealism and ego than sense.
then I suppose it's a good thing I don't base my self worth on what you think of me, isn't it? if you don't like what I'm saying, too bad. I'm going to keep pointing out your irrational nonsense, and your choices are pretty limited at stopping me from doing that, aren't they? you can give up and walk away, or block me, but either way, the person walking away from this with their tail between their legs is you. the only question you need to be asking is how much pie do you want on your face before that happens.
Google, Microsoft, Apple, IBM, etc have all refused court orders and no one went to prison. Your suggestion that Proton's administration would be immediately held criminally responsible and locked up without a trial is extremely fucking bizarre.
You are the worst kind of fanboi, one without any logic or common sense. A real bootlicker.
those are all incredibly rich corporations in a nation where immunity from crimes can be bought by donations to the right republican and democrat politicians. a nation where people who smoke weed can go to jail for life, but the bankers who knowingly broke the law and caused the 2008 financial crash can get away with no repercussions. the absolute gall you have to compare the rest of the world to the shittiest third world country cosplaying as a first world one is staggering. this may come as a shock to you, but not everywhere is as corrupt and dysfunctional as the US.
I almost feel bad for you at this point.
Here come the excuses. Time to move the goalpost again Cripty.
I remember years ago when I explained how the Proton business model was basically "We follow Swiss Law" and how stupid that is because literally every company operating in Switzerland has to do this.
I brought up the fact that they will have to follow government requests by law, and because they are small they won't be able to push back. Produmb users denied this saying they would never give in to government requests. I laughed and still do about the naiveness you seem to all share.
Unlike you I do genuinely feel sorry for you because you have been duped. You believe without evidence that they are different. This corporation is just like all the others. Their saber rattling threatening to leave trying to influence the government is textbook corporatism.
I find your argument against the US very telling. You are clearly butthurt and want to blame everyone else for your shitty decision to defend a corporation that does not give a single fuck about you.
Sorry that you hate people from the US. Next time just be honest that you are just a xenophobic asshole and save us all the time.
I'm American. I'm more qualified than anyone to say that the US is a shitty country. by no metric is the US better than any other country. unless you're counting number of gun deaths per year, or incarcerated people, or number of people who think angels are real. you know, it's funny. you called me a bootlicker, but here you are, stanning your country and being a good little patriotic soldier. and you're telling other people they've been duped? your own government doesn't give a shit about you.
and now that I've picked apart your argument, time and time again, the best you can do is resort to calling me racist. lol. lmao even.
Your all over the place that is for sure. More whataboutism than a russian and also a corporate bootlicker to boot (pun intended). The way you blame people for shit they have nothing to do with is also bizarre.
You also totally won whatever the hell you think this was. Cheers!
Edit: I would be remiss not to mention I do generally agree with your sentiment.
I sure as hell won when you lost it after I criticized the US. As someone on Matrix just said while reading what you wrote, you are "NOT making it out of 5th grade with ts". pretty funny that somebody makes a spot on observation about your country, and it flips your brain off because you can't handle your patriotism being hurt.
idk why you're using words like bootlicker, when it's obvious your a liberal who deepthroats boot while listening to the star spangled banner. I bet in your head you think you're a leftist, huh? fucking adorable, is what you are.
Lol, the guy who thinks he knows how to criticize the US. Reminds me of myself 30 years ago. I said I agreed with your sentiment, not your logic.
The popular myth is that Swiss privacy law is so strong that banks can hide gold and profits for major criminals. It wasn't to Proton's benefit to correct that.
It is called deception. All email providers in Switzerland have to follow Swiss Privacy laws.
This is no different than companies advertising licensed and bonded when every company legally has been licensed and bonded. Note that this practice of advertising what is required by law is actually illegal in a lot of places.
They sold a convenient lie and got rich doing so. Now we get to sit here on Lemmy and watch them try to justify another corporation shiting on them while they give them more money. The Proton defenders are a special kind of stupid.
No, they sold themselves as “private up to the extent of Swiss law”.
Please show any Wayback Machine link for that quote on Proton's site. I can find 'your privacy comes first'. I didn't find 'up to the extent of Swiss law' yet.
Here you go: https://proton.me/mail
Just scroll down. Each selling point is marked with title case text, followed by their reasoning.
Under the first one that mentions privacy ( Highest standards of privacy) it says:
The entirety of their reasoning behind their claim of “Highest standards of privacy”, right on their main landing page is based on the limitations of Swiss Law and literally nothing else. It even contains a link to a blog post where they go into detail on how Swiss Law affects what they can and can’t do lol.
Can you find me a way back machine link to their website where they told you that they aren’t subject to or otherwise do not comply with Swiss law?
I don't find your earlier quote on that page anywhere.
Why would I do that? My claim is not that they ever said that explicitly, but that their marketing claimed 'your privacy came first' without any similar-size mention how it would be limited by Swiss law. It was not in their interest to explain that the Swiss courts can order them to track and shop French climate activists.
Here’s a screenshot
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Their marketing around privacy as it exists right now is extremely up front and detailed about the fact that it’s based on Swiss law. If you’re going to claim that at some point in time it didn’t, you’re going to have to show some kind of proof of that. I don’t recall any time in the last few years that they weren’t touting Swiss law as the very basis for their privacy claims.