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As Barack Obama stumps for other Democrats, the party gets to see what it lost
(www.theguardian.com)
this post was submitted on 02 Nov 2025
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I just want to point out here, Obama was a moderate, not progressive. He used a Romney healthcare plan, he put in compromise appointments all over, he didn't support gay marriage in his first campaign. He had to "evolve" on that, along with public opinion, conveniently.
And this guy won 2 terms.
Before that we had Clinton, who was - surprise - a moderate. He got some things done for Dems but cut the government way back. He was still grappling with Reagan fanatics so he had to appeal to them. This guy put in don't-ask-don't-tell, which we look back on as a nightmare, but it was also a foot in the door for queers to serve without being dishonorably discharged.
My point is, in recent memory, and certainly now in the Trump era, voters don't want to see out-of-touch positions, they want to see someone very calm and charismatic who says they can solve their everyday problems.
Can we learn anything for 2028 from this?
Run the most conservative candidates possible so the party can surprised Pikachu when Trump accidentally pushes decent policy through shear contrarianism. Got it
Were Clinton and Obama and Biden the "most conservative candidate" in their races?
This strategy was pioneered by Key and Peele.
Bill and Hillary Clinton are directly responsible for making the DNC into neoliberal shills.
Obama wasn't a great president. He was a good source of hope which made his weakness worse.
He pulled the US out of a financial crisis only to to go complwte centrist, folding on healthcare (which might have been the right strategic choice), folding on peace in the middle east, folding on socual support, folding on Russia, folding on the SC.
Obama contributed to Democratic decline in the world (through loss of trust in Democrstic instituions) during his term, and then lead to borh Trump and Biden.
Biden was a better president than Obama, despite being half there, and funneling the States towards Trump 2.0.
My point wasn't how good each president was, just that they actually won, and social causes advanced under their administrations.
You were probably clear ... I probably just needed to rant.