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[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yeah, it’s bullshit. The exterminations were generally known amongst the German public, particularly in the East. Mass executions were even broadcast live on the radio as early as 1941. The deportations left paper trails perfectly accessible to any interested member of the public, and forced labour from the camps became a common sight in public, and with it came the public beatings and summary executions at the hands of their SS overseers.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm not going to do a better job than Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knowledge_of_the_Holocaust_in_Nazi_Germany_and_German-occupied_Europe#Nazi_Germany

But the jist is while many were aware the Nazis wanted to do it, they weren't aware it was really happening.

And every sign they had then, America has now...

Not sure where you're getting your info, but Wikipedia is properly sourced and disagrees with you

[–] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Wait, what are you claiming Wikipedia is saying?

"many historians argue that Germans were provided information explicit enough to indicate that the Jewish people were being massacred"

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What's one complete article compared to a partial sentence stripped of all context?

The precise number of people who knew of the Final Solution is unknown. The larger population were at least acutely aware of the Nazi Party's antisemitism, if not advocates of the movement themselves. Numerous perspectives emerge when examining the degrees to which the larger population were aware that antisemitic practices enabled by the Nazi Party would eventuate to ethnic cleansing of the Jewish population. However, many historians argue that Germans were provided information explicit enough to indicate that the Jewish people were being massacred.

Although the mass murder of Jews took place outside of Germany, the mass killing of Soviet prisoners of war occurred within it and at an early date. By mid 1942 an estimated 227,000 had died after being deported to Germany. Many Germans were aware of these killings. Some Germans tried to help the prisoners, by giving them food or even aiding escapees. According to the Security Service reports, many Germans called for the death of these prisoners out of fear that feeding them would reduce their own rations.[9]

Like if there's one word that being removed from a sentence is a giant red flag...

"However" has to be up there.

Like, it's hard to see that deliberate and unnecessary ommision as anything other than an intentional and explicit choice to bias people who didn't click the link...

Read what you posted. The context is saying that they don't know for sure what % of the population knew, and they lay out some arguments supporting both sides. You used the link as if it proved the population didn't know. But that clearly isn't what it says.

My point wasn't that the link proved the opposite of your opinion, it was that the link doesn't prove your opinion. That is a different bar.

The word "however" basically means "in contrast to the previous sentence". It exclusion doesn't change the meaning of the quote. It simply shortens it by allowing the exclusion of the previous sentence. I am not disputing that some experts believe the population didn't know. I am disputing that the link proves that the consensus of experts believe the population didn't know. That is how you presented the link, with obvious intent to mislead anyone who didn't read it into thinking it supported as fact that the population didn't know.

[–] Cypher@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Mass executions were even broadcast live on the radio as early as 1941.

This is somewhat misleading and I assume you're being informed by the wikipedia article?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knowledge_of_the_Holocaust_in_Nazi_Germany_and_German-occupied_Europe

Berlin Radio broadcast the mass-execution of Jews in Białystok and the burning of synagogues in July 1941.

The reference cited is a scan of the JTA daily news bulletin 1941-07-18 in which it is stated

In reporting on the execution of Jews in Bilaystock by German soldiers, the Berlin radio stated that a search for arms was conducted by the invading troops in the burning synagogues "where large armament stores were found".

This isn't a direct source for the radio broadcast but we can surmise that a person living in Germany at the time, who heard that a search for weapons was conducted and persons executed as a result during war time, may have been misled by the context into believeing that either these executions were not widespread or unlawful.

Not to mention that not everyone would have heard the broadcast to begin with. Media is much more accessible today than it was in 1941.

You need to consider how a reasonable person may interpret such news and the way the news was delivered, propaganda was not (and still isn't) well understood by the public.

The deportations left paper trails perfectly accessible to any interested member of the public

While there were paper trails these weren't exactly being handed out to the public, and anyone asking too many questions would have faced suspicion as a spy, traitor, communist or Jewish sympathiser.

and forced labour from the camps became a common sight in public, and with it came the public beatings and summary executions at the hands of their SS overseers.

Executions were typically done out of sight of the general populace, especially at the start.

By painting everyone in Germany as complicit you're ignoring the reality, that information can be controlled by a Government, that it can skew public perception with propaganda, and that people were often living in fear of their lives by the time they did find out.

[–] edible_funk@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

What was happening then was every bit as out in the open as what's going on today is. It was documented, it was reported, there was audio and video and still a third of the population refused to believe it while another third was cheering it on.