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Donald Trump berated Mike Pence, calling his then-vice president a "wimp" during their final phone call on Jan. 6, 2021, hours before Congress certified the 2020 election of Joe Biden, according to Pence's previously unpublished notes included in a new book by ABC News Chief Washington Correspondent Jonathan Karl.

According to court filings, had his case against Trump gone to trial, special counsel Jack Smith planned to use the handwritten notes -- hastily scribbled on Pence's day planner -- as evidence to document the hours before Trump allegedly directed a violent mob to storm the Capitol.

"You'll go down as a wimp," Trump told Pence about his decision not to block Biden's certification, according to Pence's notes about the call on the morning of Jan. 6, just before the president took the stage at the "Save America" rally on the Ellipse. "If you do that, I made a big mistake 5 years ago," Pence wrote Trump told him.

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[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

All Biden had to do was do it at the last minute and run out the legal clock that rule that it was wrong just like Trump has done with the judicial system.

Sure the supreme court would make moves to take up the case almost immediately and rule against Biden. Just like with Trump, even if we proved Trump rigged the election now the election was already certified and a done deal, we don't have systems for removing someone in that capacity other than impeachment. However, by that point Harris would have been President and they would have had to impeach each successor to the President until they came to a Republican who would replace him. That would have meant impeaching Harris, and then Walz, and so on. Impeachment of Walz would have been a harder job, too, since there would have been very little to tie him to Biden's act.

The best they could have done would have been making Trump speaker of the house to put him in the line of succession but the Democrats could have slowed down impeachment proceedings to a crawl as well, dragging it out for months and months and reducing the likelihood of the plan even working and leaving Trump with a job he didn't even want as speaker of the house.

However even if they made Trump speaker, his criminal cases would have had the time to wind through the courts and put him permanently behind bars, making it more difficult to keep him in his position as speaker of the house.

Anyway, the point is Democrats had every opportunity to play the same bullshit games that Republicans have played and continue to play to exert their power over government without the consent of the governed. All they had to do was do it close enough to the election that our systems of judicial checks and balances would have ruled against him after the election was over and Biden was no longer President.

[–] Credibly_Human@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Democrat voters didn't have the stomach for even a quarter of what you just suggested and much of it relies on old people who don't really care that much falling on sharp swords for the greater good.

It also pretend that Republicans would follow the law in that case when the current problem is that they frequently don't.

More than that, I bet that Donald would win from prison if arrested. I me a dude hung his mug shot up 8j the oval office.