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[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 147 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Imagine if Obama said "We're just going to kill people" in any context. I hate this shit so much.

[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 43 points 1 week ago (3 children)

To be fair...Obama did "just kill people" by the thousands.

[–] rimu@piefed.social 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Do you care to name an incident, so we can compare?

[–] neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Every US president practically has.

[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago

This is pretty much why the Supreme Court ruled that a president's actions cannot be considered illegal, when performed in the name of their official capacity as president. They didn't just give Trump the authority to violate the law...they retroactively gave it to every other president that has committed atrocities during their time in office.

In a twisted sort of way, they were affirming what's already considered established precedent.

[–] absentbird@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I thought Obama had congressional approval for all his military actions.

That's not just killing people, it's part of the job of being president: executing the will of the republic. What Trump is doing is very different.

[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Obama was really just piggy-backing on previous "approvals". He was also conducting drone strikes wherever he felt like...in or out of active war scenarios. It was also all based on shadowy intelligence, and done without any due process for those he killed. All in the name of the Republic...just like how Trump is claiming his actions are.

So...not much different.

[–] absentbird@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Congress approved military strikes in the entire middle east region under Bush. Even if the strikes weren't in active war zones, they were approved uses of military force. Trump has no such authority for his strikes on boats in the Pacific and Caribbean.

I agree that the authorizations granted under Bush were bullshit and tantamount to war crimes, but the actions of the president is starkly different.

[–] Sludge@sh.itjust.works 31 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Dawg is he actively trying to launch into an actual emergency or war to try to hold on to power? Looks like it.

[–] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 22 points 1 week ago

Yeah. He tried to get into a war with Iran in term 1. He "predicted/projected" Obama would start a war to increase his polling to get reelected. So we know he thinks this way

[–] Triumph@fedia.io 15 points 1 week ago

All of the above.

[–] ToastedRavioli@midwest.social 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

He is trying to create a justification for enacting martial law and increased control over the domestic population. “Venezuelan gangs” are simultaneously the excuse for blowing up civilian boats while also being the excuse for making ICE increasingly militant.

He seemingly wants to recreate the conditions of WWII where the military was used to round up Japanese-American people into concentration camps. Except this time it is to round up Latinos. For now they go after undocumented immigrants. Then start the war. Then round up anybody who is brown by labeling them as gang sympathizers

[–] Mirshe@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

He's also wanting Venezuela to declare war first.

[–] Sludge@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago

Whelp, rip - see y'all in the gulags.