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I ditched Linux for Windows 11 for one week - and found 9 big problems (www.zdnet.com)

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[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 125 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Sigh, please stop using that argument, it is an easy cop out, and you don't actually help your cause by analyzing the real issue.

The real reason why people willingly use Windows is multifaceted and can be boiled down to a few points.

It is the defacto standard. If you are going to use a desktop/laptop computer you will probably use Windows, especially at work.
Most users know Windows in some capacity, this means that companies have an easier time finding staff than if they used something else, it wouldn't be impossible but it would mean spending more time and money training the staff and causing them to be less productive for longer as they learn the system. This is slowly changing with the rise of web apps, chromebooks and Macs. But still, having IT support a fleet of Linux desktops/laptops when working in a non IT sector would be increadibly wasteful
Software, like it or not, Windows has a huge amount of proprietary software dominance, organizations LOVE proprietary software and dislike FOSS for one reason. Liability. This means that they get a number to call, email to contact, a person to yell at, they can deflect complaints and seem like they are a strong decisive company by taking legal action against an external party, and not have the buck stop with themselves.

I am an IT technician, this is what I have seen in the corporate world.

By talking about "brainwashing" you remove most of the actual information that could help you figure out how Linux could be better suited for the masses, and to be frank, using a word like "brainwashing" makes the Linux community seem a bit unhinged/cultish.

Focus on facts, then you can use them to change the actual issue.

[–] Capricorn_Geriatric@lemmy.world 29 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

You missed reason 0:

It is the default. Almost all computers today come with Windows. If someone clearly unknowledgeavle were to ask the salespeople in any PC store, they'd say some variation of "just use Windows".

Microsoft managed to make sure "a PC" almost exclusively means "A computer [with Windows]".

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

And they have spent a lot of effort for litterally decades to make sure most machines are as difficult as possible to use with anything but Windows.

[–] rozodru@pie.andmc.ca 10 points 3 days ago (2 children)

also in most cases it's simply the default.

Look if you've spent any time whatsoever interacting with clients, customers, whatever when it comes to development work for literally whatever be it software or web or mobile applications at the end of the day they all want the same thing. They want it to just work. Right out of the box, to simply work. The majority of people DO NOT want to customize their PC or online experience, they don't want to tinker, hell these days they don't even want to download an exe off a site - if it's not in some kind of app store, it ain't getting installed. They all want a thing to just work.

Windows, like it or not, provides that. They don't want to use Linux, they don't want to potentially have to open a terminal and type out some simple commands. Most of these people have never even opened a cmd prompt or powershell in windows in like....ever. A good chunk of people using windows don't even know terminals exist.

I use linux, I use different distros, and I don't blame anyone who refuses to make the transition even though they aren't exactly enjoying their windows experience. They deal with it. Let them complain. A lot of people simply don't have the time or even the interest to learn a new piece of tech and again I don't blame them.

Can Linux also "just work"? sure, it can potentially but lets not kid ourselves here and lets REALLY be honest with each other. It's not going to "just work" like Windows, for the vast majority of people, does.

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago

For my totally tech illiterate wife, the solution was NixOS and GNOME. She struggled so bad with Windows ways of things and its UI, and how slow it was. Installed Nix and no more screaming, she does her spreadsheets for work, zoom calls and email.

[–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 days ago

Excellent points but I would argue that for the majority of users, Mint does indeed just work right out of the box. Everything that most people would need is already there.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

Also, there are not much cash to swing around to incite companies to use Linux, windows and all their bs 365 crap on the other hand ...

It's wild how just a guy showing up, for free, "explaining" all the benefits of some shitty soft or process gets everyone on board super easily.

[–] CatsPajamas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 days ago

Most people have literally never heard of Linux.

[+] Ooops@feddit.org -13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

"They use Windows because they are used to Windows" is not an argument but a cop out.
"They know Windows better because they use Windows" is not an argument because... guess what... people can learn. That's how they got their (probably very basic) knowledge of Windows in the first place.
Paid and externally supported Linux/Foss exists. Choosing Windows instead because that's somehow magically the only one with support available is just a recursion to #1.

If you want to talk facts however, start with money spend on lobbying, on pushing it on education early, on forcing people to buy their hardware with Windows pre-installed etc...

[–] accideath@feddit.org 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

People usually do prefer the comfort of familiarity. That’s not a cop out. That’s just how most people work. Why do you think the most unanimously hated windows versions were the ones that changed the most? Why do you think the basic design of macOS hasn’t changed at all in more than two decades? People like what they’re used to. And a lot of them are used to Windows and have been for decades.
While yes, they can learn, a lot have acquired their (probably indeed very basic) knowledge of windows over the duration of 20+ years. It’s quite a jump to suddenly change that. It’s possible to learn, of course but it’s also necessary to lean and most people aren’t willing to do that if what they have works well enough.
This does indeed come back to people prefer what they’re used to. Of course that also goes for available software. People are used to Microsoft Office, Acrobat Reader, Outlook, the Creative Cloud, etc.
For some of those there are good Linux/FOSS alternatives, but for some there aren’t. I, for example, cannot switch my work macbook for a Linux machine. It’s simply not possible because of the software I need. My desktop at home does run Linux though, because there I don’t have the same hurdles.
That is indeed a big part that deserves more focus. A mainstream PC manufacturer (like Lenovo, Dell, HP, Acer, etc.) shipping a line of devices with Linux instead of Windows, especially if they pass the licensing savings on to the customers might do a lot for Linux adoption, similar to what, for example, the Steam deck did.
Because a lot of people don’t actually care. Yea, they’re more comfortable with Windows but in the end, all they need is a browser. Why do you think chromebooks sell so well?

[–] Ooops@feddit.org -3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Why do you think the most unanimously hated windows versions

I know that people hated every single one since Windows 98SE... it's basically a constant cycle of releasing shit, then keeping it relevant -mostly via forcing people to buy it with their PC- long enough that people resignate and believe tech has to be that bad, then forcing the next and even worse version on people. So which were those unanimously hated versions. Or -maybe easier- which version was widelys adopted before people had no choice because all support for older ones was cut?

People are used to Microsoft Office, Acrobat Reader, Outlook, the Creative Cloud, etc.

And that is some kind of law of nature? Or the result of paying massive amounts of money to flood everything with this shit for free? Seriously... I think you competely misjudge the majority of users. They are not so much clinging to the familiar as just lazily sticking to whatever pops up when they press the power button.

Why do you think chromebooks sell so well?

They do? I have seen one chromebook in real life. Which I would probably not have noticed between all the other laptops and tablets if it wasn't for the fact that this was the most overpriced piece of shit constantly having issues with even the most basic stuff.

(Edit/PS: I just did a quick search and most numbers I found point to chromebooks being more rare than Linux. Which is an achievement given that barely any piece of basic consumer laptop/tablet/whatever comes pre-installed with Linux.)

But I know the sales internationally were declining for quite some time until they spend a lot of money to bribe governments to hand them out as the tech version of a gateway drug.

So for example at the moment increases in chromebook sales in the last years are mainly caused by government procurements in Asia. Japan alone saw sales increase by a factor of 20 in 2024... so I really, really doubt anyone actually wanted a chromebook. But this will probably change after the next generation of students conditioned to think that this shit is how it's supposed to be enters the market. *sigh*