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Ukraine’s president says Kremlin checking Europe’s capacity to protect its skies following new drone sightings

Vladimir Putin will expand his war in Ukraine by attacking another European country, Volodymyr Zelenskyy has predicted, and accused Russia of recent drone incursions that he said were an attempt to test Nato’s defences.

Speaking in Kyiv after his meeting with Donald Trump at the UN in New York, the Ukrainian president said Russia was preparing for a bigger conflict. “Putin will not wait to finish his war in Ukraine. He will open up some other direction. Nobody knows where. He wants that,” he said.

Ukraine’s president said the Kremlin was deliberately checking Europe’s capacity to protect its skies, after drone sightings in Denmark, Poland and Romania and the violation of Estonian airspace by Russian fighter jets. More drones were spotted on Friday night above a Danish military base, and over a Norwegian base on Saturday.

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[–] ImgurRefugee114@reddthat.com 78 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

I'll just be over here quietly cheering "two fronts" because I'm sure it'll go well for them

[–] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world 45 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

That may sound cheer worthy, but considering they very obviously can't handle even 1 front, attacking another country would have to be for a different reason, a more problematic reason.

[–] Forester@pawb.social 27 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (2 children)

Can you expound on the later part of your thought? I'm struggling to picture a scenario in which the Kremlin purposefully opens a second front. The purpose of these airspace raids is to saber rattle and make it so Europe beefs up its defenses and is less likely to give equipment to Ukraine and instead use it domestically.

[–] mgnome@piefed.social 9 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Russia doesn't act logically and there's a positive feedback loop in the command - where each commander reports situation to his commander as better than it actually is, so what Putin hears from his yesmen, may as well be something like:

  • Yeah, we decided not to capture entire Ukraine immediately, but to delay things a bit, so that NATO will send more stuff to Ukraine and have less for itself before we attack them too.

So yeah, it may be that they're just all bark no bite now, but after enough time doing that there'll be real question "are we actually gonna do it or chicken out?" and that will be solely a question of leaders fragile ego.

[–] TachyonTele@piefed.social 4 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Im curious if this is true in any way, or is just armchair chatter. Are there actual reports of this?

[–] mgnome@piefed.social 1 points 3 hours ago

Kinda yes to both variants.

Russia inflates battlefield gains after a costly summer offensive

It's kinda been the thing at least since Soviet times where the tendency to report higher efficiency overcame any logic, and it wasn't just production plans in with those famous "5 year plans", it also creeped in into military, where there'd be, for example, tank hangar overseer reporting 50% of machines being battle ready to his commander, his commander would report 60, then up next it becomes 70, and like that until defence minister gets "we've got entire 100% machines ready".

What We Can Learn from the Soviet Collapse in: Finance & Development Volume 31 Issue 004 (1994)

[–] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world 3 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I can speculate it could be to frame this war as a war against nato, or to get a reason for full scale mobilization, or to get a reason to use nuclear weapons.

[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 3 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

"Nuclear weapons use" is an element of their doctrine for foreign policy influence.

They are not fucking idiots. But they do recognize that "nuclear blah blah" works well with cowardly westerners.

[–] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world 3 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

They are not fucking idiots? They absolutely are fucking idiots. And they are being backed into a corner. A lot of stuff can happen.

[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works -1 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

How much do you know about russian history? If your life was on the line, do you think you could write 3 key bullet points (since your life is on the line, you wouldn't have access to a search engine or an LLM) about every decade of 20th century russia? Basic things like 1906 protests, implementation of NEP, Khrushev and so on. No one is asking for in-depth knowledge.

Do you speak russian? How do you know they are not playing you if you don't speak russian?

Your message about "backed into a corner" is exactly what they want you to think. They got you "hook line and sinker" as the North Americans like to say.

[–] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Haha. I don't think you have any idea what you are talking about.

[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

You think your the first person I've met with this attitude? Be it IRL/online or from EU or USA?

You can't even speak russian and you claim to understand their leadership and society. It's extremely ignorant.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

What are you thinking exactly?

My main idea on why they'd escalate is because they're sure the EU and NATO will fold this time, definitely, for certain.

[–] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

Escalate just so much that NATO won't act and cracks might form in nato. That was the strategy all along. Maybe this is a part of that.

[–] i_stole_ur_taco@lemmy.ca 21 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

They should try their luck in Afghanistan again.

[–] FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 9 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

That would put them in direct competition with us now that Trump wants the air base back and says he is willing to go to war with Afghanistan to do it.

[–] greedytacothief@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

I'm not a history guy, when was the last time invading Afghanistan went well?

[–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 6 points 12 hours ago

They call that place the graveyard of empires for a reason, I don't think it's ever gone well.

[–] FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 4 points 11 hours ago

I think it was back in 1219. It lasted until just 1227. Does 8 years count as went well? Or is that too short?

[–] lietuva@lemmy.world 5 points 14 hours ago

lots of these events that have occurred might have happened out of inertia. It might be that russians miscalculated and the war in Ukraine should have ended by now, and all these actions are part of a bigger plan