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[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago (5 children)

He also directly called for US soldiers to disobey orders, so there may be more to this story.

[–] thallamabond@lemmy.world 83 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Disobey orders? Or disobey illegal orders?

[–] Tuuktuuk@piefed.ee 46 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

"Disobey Trump's orders" is what he said. Disobey horrible orders whether legal or illegal.

A ballsy thing for a president to go to a demonstration in another country and tell its military to disobey their own president. If the president of Portugal did the same in Denmark, I would absolutely expect him to be expelled from the Danish territory.

Personally, if any country's president was to do the same in Finland, I would see that as an actual act of war by his country.

This all having been said: whatever is done against Trump is done for USA. The president of Colombia did an awesome thing and I'm happy he did it!

[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If the president of Portugal did the same in Denmark, I would absolutely expect him to be expelled from the Danish territory.

Oh please, tRump said he'd take Iceland by force if necessary and they did shit... let's stop pretending there is rhyme or reason here

[–] Tuuktuuk@piefed.ee 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

You forgot to read the end of my comment.

We are almost completely in agreement.

(Of course Trump's rhyme and reason are irrelevant here. The president of Colombia is not known as a moron and there is a demand for him to act like a diplomat even when visiting a moron. But, Trump, Mussolini and similar make an exception: the charter of Human Rights is the most important piece of rules there is, and it basically requires everybody to behave that way. Therefore: unusual but acceptable.)

[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

I know, I am in agreement with the rest. I only countered the part I felt was wrong

[–] Redjard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Personally, if any country's president was to do the same in Finland, I would see that as an actual act of war by his country.

It was said in the UN, if the UN is controlled by US interests like that it has failed. Both being in UN buildings and travelling to and from them must be protected by diplomatic immunity, else what is even the point of having a UN?

[–] Tuuktuuk@piefed.ee 1 points 1 day ago

BBC News says it was said using a megaphone when talking to a large crowd:

Petro shared a video on social media of him addressing a large crowd through a megaphone in Spanish on Friday.

He called for the formation of a "world salvation army, whose first task is to liberate Palestine".

"That is why, from here in New York, I ask all soldiers in the United States Army not to point their rifles at humanity," he said. "Disobey Trump's order! Obey the order of humanity!"

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 34 points 2 days ago

You say that like it's an escalation from the previous rhetoric... It's literally a call against violence

Our military is being given orders to turn on our people. So far, they've managed to maliciously comply. Instead of menacing they smile and wave, instead of martial occupation they pick up trash and have to be ordered to carry weapons, and somehow every last one of them suddenly forgot how to march when it's time for a parade

The military following their oaths instead of their orders is the very last line of defense. A surprising one, but one that is holding so far

[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 12 points 2 days ago

Yeah, it's the part where the US military is summarily executing civilians right at his country's doorstep.

asking people to disobey illegal orders is literally telling people to follow the law.

how is that a bad thing?

[–] SolacefromSilence@fedia.io 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Is "just following orders" back on the menu?

Anyway, I saw no call for US troops to disobey orders, where is it?

https://eleanorsquad.substack.com/p/un-speech-by-gustavo-petro-urrego

[–] tate@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

He spoke at a demonstration. You linked his speech at the UN. Different things.

[–] SolacefromSilence@fedia.io 2 points 1 day ago

Thank you for explaining

[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The action was not taken following his UN speech. it was following a separate speech in which he said, “I ask all the soldiers of the United States’ army, ...disobey the orders of Trump.”

Imagine Trump visiting Colombia and saying something like that (not that hard to imagine, really). Petro would be in every right to revoke his visa.

For additional context, it was not clear which orders he was referring to, but there are no US Army troops in Gaza.

[–] SolacefromSilence@fedia.io 2 points 1 day ago

Thank you for explaining