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For those who don't find "far-right" to be an applicable descriptor with what is known currently, I acknowledge that the meme creator could have been more precise with their word choice. However, I feel the difference is academic:

We can replace “far right” with the easily verified “not leftist” without changing the meme whatsoever, primarily because the meme is about Nancy Mace and her mercurial, disingenuous opinion, not (directly) about the shooter.

Edit - I modified it, though I still find it to be a distinction without a difference - alt version for those who prefer (whoops missed one first time)

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[–] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 43 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Mormons aren't Christians, at least according to those Christians who hate Mormons. They might believe in Jesus Christ but they didn't find him. This might seem like a distinction without a difference but only because it is.

[–] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Ypu are mistaken as to how that argument goes.

The idea is that Christianity is a separate faith from Judaism because they have an entirely different set of texts and a different view of the relationship with God and what is expected of the faithful.

Islam is a separate faith of Christianity and Judaism as it too has additional texts and a different perspective on God than what Judaism and Christianity has (which again differ themselves).

Thus LDS is a different faith because it has a wholly new set of texts, it has a radically different view of the relationship with God than every other Abrahamic faith, and we have a lot of evidence that suggests Joseph Smith was outright fabricating everything. That's a critical difference and suggests it should be seen as something else following the same standards applied to all otherAbrahamic faiths.

[–] livejamie@lemmy.zip 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I wouldn't say "wholly new set," more like "additional set."

The KJB is a foundation of their theology and taught in all their churches.

And yeah, he was making everything up; that's how you start any religion. :)

[–] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)

All of Smith’s texts are wholly new fabricated by him.

The fact is we don’t have the quantity of evidence for the fabrication of most faiths to the extent we have for LDS.

[–] livejamie@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 days ago

True, it's relatively new compared to the others.

[–] Mamdani_Da_Savior@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Yet people still follow it, dude literally just made it up

[–] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

I'm not mistaken as how that argument goes. I disagree with it.

In a different reply, I said "There is no authority, no person or group of people, authorized to decide who is a Christian and who is not. " and I stand with that. I didn't deny that you can come up with arbitary criteria to exclude certain groups, especially when you are allowed to use vague language like "different perspective on God".

we have a lot of evidence that suggests Joseph Smith was outright fabricating everything.

Do you think Paul wrote all the letters by Paul? How is this a critical difference?

standards applied to all otherAbrahamic faiths.

applied by whom? Applied by you and which army?

[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They found him at a 7/11 in Missouri, and then they get their own planet when they die. They’re like the Scientologists of Christianity. Which I think was L Ron Hubbard’s point.

[–] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 days ago (35 children)

There is no authority, no person or group of people, authorized to decide who is a Christian and who is not. That's just not how such identity markers work.

[–] Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 days ago

There's encyclopedias worth of schism and heresy, all just more reasons to hate one another, like true Christians.

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[–] mcbenavides85@piefed.social 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They also think Catholics aren’t Christians either.

[–] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

Well, Catholics really aren't Christians because they use a weird and theologically wrong handshape while praying /s

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses and Scientology are all quite similar. They all have some modern founder (Smith / Russel / Hubbard) who has positioned themselves as a Abraham like figure within the religion. Someone who has been charged by god (or aliens) to write the scriptures.

They are all cults of personality, and a lot of American evangelical churches display similar traits. Charismatic preachers who become celebrities within the movement getting fame and power in the process. There seems to be something in the American psyche that gravitates to this kind of movement.

Christian or not - all of these are problems movements in my eyes.

[–] bignate31@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Christian Science as well. It's eerie how many overlaps they have with Mormons: founded by a single person (Mary Baker Eddystone), have a book they treat as scripture (Science and Health), believe they are the "one true way", and tell people to "pray to know if the book [and the religion] is true"

So eerie, in fact, that it was the final nail in the head (so to speak) that allowed me to leave Mormonism for good

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 1 points 5 hours ago

Good for you. Hope you're enjoying being reborn.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

Charismatic preachers who become celebrities within the movement getting fame and power in the process.

And wealth.

[–] Tempus_Fugit@midwest.social 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

And why would you listen to their definitions? They are Christianity, sure not mainline, but as kooky and deranged.

[–] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 days ago (4 children)

To be clear: I was being sarcastic. In a different reply I said that there is no authority who can decide who's a real Christian and who isn't. It's all about self identification and they identify as such so they are Christians

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