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[–] Ulrich@feddit.org -2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You grasp the tiniest of straws.

Absolutely not. Those are enormous straws...

What I tried yo explain you there was that there was no "into the traffic" there. People didn't "wonder" on the streets.

  1. That is not what you said. What you said was, and I quote "You think: people who wonder on the street are to blame if they are hit."

  2. If people are not "wandering into the street" then they are not "jaywalking", are they?

People were the rule cars were the exception.

It doesn't matter which one is which. The one that is "jay" is the one doing so without any regard for the rules, endangering themselves and other road users.

Imagine scooter manufacturers start to call people involved in the accidents like this something like "loonies" or "zombies"

That would be a completely different use of the word, since neither of these words mean "someone who operates scooters carelessly and without regard for the rules", as jaywalking does.

[–] ideonek@piefed.social 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

We are clearly not moving toward convincing eachother to anything even a bit, so let's stop here. Have a great day, Ulrich.

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org -2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You will never convince anyone by gaslighting them into believing you didn't say things you did (especially where it's clearly documented) and continually pursuing strawman arguments.

[–] ideonek@piefed.social 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Hmm? Now I'm honestly confused. What is the thing I said that I claim I didn't say?

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org -1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What I tried yo explain you there was that there was no "into the traffic" there. People didn't "wonder" on the streets.

You think: people who wonder on the street are to blame if they are hit.

One of these things is not like the other.

[–] ideonek@piefed.social 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yes, those are not the same and that's exactly the point.

2nd one is me trying to understand your perspective and assumimg that you asses the irresponsibility of wondering into trafic must comr from the modern perspective in accordance with modern standards (existing traffic laws and road culture) - reality after PR campaign.

1st one is pointing out that that traffic laws and road culture were different back then, and.we.can't even talk about "wondering into" traffic anymore than we could talk about "wondering into sidewalk" - reality before PR campaign.

Those two not being the same is the result of PR campaign changing one state of round culture to another by stigmatizing being a pedestrian on the street. That's the problem we are discussing.

Come on.

(Man, I'm regretting biting after it was obvious this conversation is going nowhere. This time I'm truly out. Feel free to have your last word, but - hopefully - I'll not address it)

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org -1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

and assumimg that you asses the irresponsibility of wondering into trafic must comr from the modern perspective in accordance with modern standards

So you're confused because you made baseless assumptions about me personally? Yeah, that'll do it.

[–] ideonek@piefed.social 4 points 2 days ago

Personally? It was based on things you said. We allready discused it, right? And it was the only thing to.me that made sense. At least than you'd be understandably wrong, instead of stubbornly wrong. If you understand that before the campaign walking on the streets was normal and perfectly leagal and the capaign stigmatized it as a simpletons behavior of irresponsible people, than I honestly don't understand what is the hill you chose to die on.