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I think we all just wish the Democrats would be as willing to win at all costs for the people as Republicans are with winning at all costs for corporations and the rich. Sure the Democrat and Republican parties are different, no doubt, but they both take money and capitulate to the same rich people. I would be a lot happier if they worked a lot harder to get money out of politics.
Care to explain why the same rich people have polar opposite policy stances depending on who wins?
because they hedge their bets. they don't have morals they just adjust themselves to remain rich in any morality system
By taxing themselves more and paying for services that enrich the lives of lower citizens, which is also evil somehow?
if you think they're operating at a net loss for our net benefit, your either one of them and are doing the mental gymnastics required to move like they do or you just don't actually look at them with even the minimal scrutiny.
but sure, let's pretend they don't fix policies to always win at the stock market or have accountants to minimize their taxes. only making policies that are mutually beneficial for the upper class is still being a shitty politician who is not serving the people.
I'm saying we have a choice between a system that takes from them to distribute fairly to all and a system that creates an absolute authority wherein human lives have no value aside from what they produce.
Make the right choice, volunteer for the DNC, contact your representatives and ask them to shut down the government next reconciliation. The only way to save hundreds of millions in this country from injustice and protect the people for the longterm future is to remove the GOP from power via the DNC.
it's a false dichotomy, and I'm a little too old and jaded to fall for it again. I've seen them pull too much shit to still believe they actually want an end to fascism.
I write blue reps and they say "thank you for your opinion" and then they still play nice with fascists. and when anyone tries to hold them accountable there's always a clown going "left unity! stick to the script, we're the only option you have". if that doesn't sound like a rug pull to you, I think some of the paint got in your ears
They have no power and fascism exists as a result, there should be no clearer indicator that they're not part of the fascism.
You also don't have a third option between them and the fascism.
Demonstrably when we voted them into power previously the fascism went away. I think we should keep doing that, and also get them a decent majority unlike the 48 or less senators they've had for over 10 years.
okay so now we just are lying. there were plenty of options that came and went because they didn't offer enough kickbacks to the oligarchs.
but here we are having 3 simultaneous conversations with someone who is admittedly pretty exhausting. I don't have it in me to keep humoring the routine you're still on 12 hrs later and I'm deescelating because I was already a dick to somebody today so I'm just going to link you to the last person who called you fucking stupid. Looks like mods are starting to get kind of sick of you too which is the first I've seen on this instance so maybe you're about done with this anyway. Perhaps it would help you to just go get a bowl of ice cream and call it a day?
So you're saying the billionaires are controlling the entire Democratic party, and making them pass progressive reforms that help workers, and that's somehow going to make them richer?
The simpler explanation is that they don't control the entire party, just a few key people at high level positions. They tell those key people to sabotage the election strategy so that the progressive idealists at the lower levels can't pass genuine reforms. That's the controlled opposition strategy.
The controlled opposition strategy doesn't work if the people vote D.
What are the progressive reforms that Democrats passed which would classify as a big loss for billionaires and a big win for the common folk? Democrats have to pass some incrementally progressive bills otherwise they risk losing seats to more aggressively progressive alternatives. A party which only makes small incremental improvements is the ideal case scenario for billionaires in a context where you have a two party system one of which is "the progressive side".
Sure a president like Trump which lets them loose so long as they pay tribute is much better for them but it is not like all their non-ethical practices and monopolies suddenly vanish with the democrat party in charge.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Minimum_Wage_Act_of_2007
This is indeed the sort of stuff that is needed to breakout of incremental progressiveness but I also have to note this was almost 20 years ago. The world is so broken atm that incremental progressiveness does not unfortunately lead to a net positive effect and as we can see can be completely undermined by an asshole in six months. We should see multiple such bills being passed perhaps every year.
I am not an American so I would not have the same exposure to US politics that Americans do but my impression is that the situation seems to be quite far from that. It seems to me that at best when democrat party is in charge, they are trying to balance interests of the public with the interests of the billionaires. Same billionaires who flock to kiss Trump's ass so they can get the "do whatever the fuck you want so long as you lay tribute to me" pass. There is no balancing interests with these parasites, there should be much harsher control mechanisms being implemented and fast. If there is anything Trump should have taught democrats, it is that you can change everything in six months. So that is what democrats need to do next they come back (if they ever do lol) instead of taking small steps to restore the previous status quo. If democrats don't lash out at billionaires next they get elected then they are clearly working with them, if not just for them.
See, the thing is, most Democrat representatives are good people, but the ones at the top are corrupt and in Capital's pocket. That's how they got to the top, by being greedy. The ones with integrity who can't be bought, they're actually most of the party. Just, it's most of the bottom. But still, those people with integrity can win out in the end, because the system is democratic to some level. It's just that the corrupt people at the top can put a bunch of barriers in their way which take time to clear, while the Republicans barrel full steam ahead with the bad stuff. For example, Trump likes to sign executive orders, while Biden preferred passing laws. That's because Biden was corrupt. But he still actually has to do his job.
Now take a look at this graph:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_trifecta#/media/File:Combined--Control_of_the_U.S._House_of_Representatives_-_Control_of_the_U.S._Senate.png
In order to raise the minimum wage, the Democrats need control of the House and the Senate. They had that from 2007-2011, and 2021-2022. You can see that right here in the graph. The first time it happened, minimum wage increase! Party time. But the next time, when we should have had a minimum wage increase in 2021?
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/03/05/democrats-15-minimum-wage-hike-473875
8 corrupt dipshits. They only had to bribe 8 people. 42 good people who had integrity, but 8 assholes. If the minimum wage had risen in 2021, Kamala would have won easily. People would have believed her when she said she improved the economy. She would have done exactly the same amount, but people would have been better off and believed her and voted for her. And then we wouldn't have an active immigrant genocide and an impending trans genocide. We'd have another decade of time to work on organising to throw a revolution, thereabouts. Trump would die some time around 2027 and they'd take another 4 years to find their new guy who can do what Trump does.
But imagine if more of that graph had been blue, so we had more chances like 2007 and 2021. Imagine if there had been more representatives with integrity in the 2021 vote. Both of those are decisions directly made by the voters. The voting people get to choose how much of that graph is blue, and how many senators have integrity. There were good people like Bernie Sanders in that room. There are good people like Zohran Mamdani trying to get into rooms like that one.
Americans elect corrupt politicians and then complain that their politicians are corrupt.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate#Membership
The people who register as democrats get to choose who the democratic senate nominees are. Two people per state. If you read that news article I linked, you know which 8 states have traitor senators. You know those senators' names. You can talk to people in those states and tell them that their representatives betrayed them. If you change minds, then laws will change too. It's not easy to convince 300 million people to act in their own best interests, but it's the same damn job that organising a communist revolution is. We have to either convince 200 million to spend one day a year helping, or 15 million to risk their lives helping. I try to do both at the same time. Radicalise each person as far as I can. If I turn them into a communist, great. If I turn them into an informed voter, good. Not great, but better than nothing.
18 years ago.
What have Democrats done since then, especially with their two supermajorities?
just stop right there. you're an adult. try to talk like one.
unfortunately if your leadership is compromised, your party is compromised. As an example, here's special golden boy Joe Biden moving congress to break a strike. Of course it's just easier to buy him than it is to buy the whole party. Many will toe the line for free.
My benevolent brother in Christ above, the DNC is the controlled opposition. They are functioning as intended
I'm not your brother in Christ, asshole. I'm not a christian, I'm not a male, and I'm not engaging with you anymore.
I'm only one of those things, I just thought we were saying a bunch of made up shit
How can you tell someone to talk like an adult and then bring this childish meme out in the same comment...
I am, among other things an asshole. Don't like being told what I'm saying so I set out to provoke a specific reaction. No, I feel less cool about it now.
Because the state serves capitalism and none of their "issues" actually threatens any capitalist at all. When it does, you see both "parties" grovelling in unison.
Oh look another DB0 Tankie what a surprise.