this post was submitted on 04 Sep 2025
195 points (97.6% liked)

politics

25634 readers
3056 users here now

Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!

Rules:

  1. Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.

Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.

Example:

  1. Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
  2. Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
  3. No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
  4. Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
  5. No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.

That's all the rules!

Civic Links

Register To Vote

Citizenship Resource Center

Congressional Awards Program

Federal Government Agencies

Library of Congress Legislative Resources

The White House

U.S. House of Representatives

U.S. Senate

Partnered Communities:

News

World News

Business News

Political Discussion

Ask Politics

Military News

Global Politics

Moderate Politics

Progressive Politics

UK Politics

Canadian Politics

Australian Politics

New Zealand Politics

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 

Donald Trump has offered Eric Adams a job in his administration, apparently to convince him to drop out of New York’s mayoral race. It’s now official and out in the open: Andrew Cuomo is allying with Trump to beat Zohran Mamdani.

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 85 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

Liberals would rather lose to outright fascism than win on an actually progressive platform and that isn't being hyperbolic at all, it is the brutal reality dooming this country to a very dark future.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 48 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Liberal politicians*

The Democratic party in NYC voted overwhelmingly for Mamdani against liberal opposition.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I agree with you for the most part and I genuinely give the general populace of the US immense credit for evolving and remembering the lessons we needed to learn from the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, especially younger people in the US. Not that we deserve any praise for it, "credit" is the wrong word, I guess I only point this out to underline how it wasn't necessarily a foregone conclusion the US public would in this late moment of empire reach a state of self-awareness about the actual systematic issues at play undermining this country.

You are right that the liberalism I am attacking is more prevalent in the ruling class and politicians than the general populace these days, but that was not always the case, on the contrary this is a recent development.

I am having a conversation about the way liberalism took the oxygen out of the room from other ideologies that might have given all the people dying and about to die a better chance at making it through and living a decent life.

[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Democrats have been known to back a Republican candidate to defeat a progressive candidate. The Democratic Party are traitors to the working class.

[–] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Establishments democrats. Not liberals.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

@floofloof@lemmy.ca has a better response to this than I can write

liberalism is a political ideology rather than a political party, and that the problems of liberalism extend beyond registered Democrats. It's important globally too: liberalism is problematic everywhere, whereas the Democratic Party exists only in the USA. Whatever a politician's party, if they subscribe to liberalism their politics are going to problematic in the ways liberalism always is.

From that Wikipedia link:

Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on the rights of the individual, liberty, consent of the governed, political equality, the right to private property, and equality before the law. Liberals espouse various and sometimes conflicting views depending on their understanding of these principles but generally support private property, market economies, individual rights (including civil rights and human rights), liberal democracy, secularism, rule of law, economic and political freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, and freedom of religion. Liberalism is frequently cited as the dominant ideology of modern history.

Establishment Democrats are a problem that was created by liberalism, just because neoliberalism is dead as an ideology doesn't mean that the structural impacts that have been established over decades of uncontested domination in the sphere of ideas by liberalism/neoliberalism aren't still dominating the currents of power in the US and elsewhere.

Neoliberalism attempts to hallucinate some middle ground between the brutality of wealth inequality, colonialism and extractive capitalism and progressively better treatment of human beings on the other and there just isn't. I don't know what more evidence the world needs, the majority of people in the US have realized it, but the neoliberal wing of the ruling class in the US is still utterly in denial about it.

[–] JeremyHuntQW12@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Liberals would rather lose to outright fascism than win on an actually progressive platform

Heh, its not because he's progressive that Democrats hate him...

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social -1 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Today I learned Trump is a Liberal.

[–] Shiggles@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Hmmmmmm, I wonder if there’s anybody in this story that might fit the bill of Liberal, leaving Trump to represent Fascism. Nah, I failed my first grade reading class, but I’m pretty confident there isn’t.

[–] KnitWit@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

Cuomo did get an endorsement from Bill Clinton though.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Plus Cuomo is running as an independent. Not sure how dems have anything to do with this article.

[–] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 week ago

He is running as independent, because he lost in primaries and is double dipping.

He supposedly identified himself as a Democrat but now it is clear that it was for the convenience.

I'm wondering if there will be Democrats that would vote on him after being backed by trump?

Didn't he also implicated Cuomo in Maxwell's interview?

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The comment didn't mention Democrats. It mentioned liberals.

[–] BakerBagel@midwest.social 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Why aren't any gogh profile Democrats condemning him for running as an independent, subverting the Democratic primary that was held? Why are no high profile Democrats endorsing the Progressive winner of the Democratic Primary in the largest coty on the country? Why does "Vote Blue No Matter Who™" only apply to progressives when their candidate loses, and not centrist Dems when their candidate loses?

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Here is his endorsement page. Many are high profile dems.

https://www.zohranfornyc.com/endorsements

[–] BakerBagel@midwest.social 3 points 1 week ago

Weird, because neither Demeocrtic heads of Congress are on that list despite living in NYC.

What is your definition of high profile democrats? Is it Independent Bernie Sanders who the DNC has repeatedly shown is not welcome at the table?