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You Americans don’t learn, constantly punching left, nobody is good enough to be an ally. While the right is unified and eating your lunch
This is true to an extent, but when you look at the history of the moral majority (new right movement) and what actually unified the right, it should give you some context about how the Dems aren't really doing themselves any favors by distancing themselves from progressive values. The right were always willing to offer some concessions to what were once considered fringe voters (and now is essentially the base of the Republican party) in exchange for their vote.
I say this as someone who is almost always willing to vote blue no matter who, continuously catering to the wealthy and failing to follow through on promises is going to be the nail in the coffin for Democrats (and possibly American democracy in general). Midterms will probably be their last chance to get it right (if we're even allowed to vote) and they are definitely not off to a good start by giving the cold shoulder to Mamdani.
It's very hard to battle voter apathy and "both sides" disinformation when Democrats will not even acknowledge that much of what progressives are asking for is pretty reasonable. Establishment Dems seem to believe once they're accused of cultural marxism (which btw is a term that was popularized by the same people that created the moral majority/new right) they will lose centrists voters that might help them gain an edge over the competition. Meanwhile they seem to be oblivious to all the support on the left that they're absolutely hemorrhaging.
Some of that support is going to the right (and those are the people Gavin Newsome seemed really be worried about reaching with his podcast that "reached across the aisle" to some absolutely vile people), but a big chunk is being lost to people who just no longer see a point in bothering to vote for an establishment that seems to intentionally exclude and dismiss them.
Punching Newsom is punching up. Telling voters they are wrong to criticize him in regards to economics, Zionism, LQBTQ rights, and social safety nets IS punching left.
He's not on the left though. He only ran as a dem because he is in California and Republicans have no chance there
Can you show your work on this?
You want me to go though his entire polical history to show how he's only on the side of whatever he thinks is popular instead of being principled?
Proof goes hand-in-hand with credibility.
So yes you do on a thread about this article?
https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/2023/11/gavin-newsom-is-not-a-progressive
Or you just want it from other sources?
You said this:
Prove it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavin_Newsom
You want more?
That in no way supports your argument. Try again.
Why?
I asked you to prove this:
-and you cannot. Therefore what is happening is you are positioning an opinion as fact. This means it can easily be dismissed as irrelevant to the topic.
No why continue when you obviously don't care about anything other than trying to cancel out any valid criticisms.
Yes it's easily dismissed by you saying continue I don't accept reality
You lied. Just have an ounce of shame and admit it. And for the record, I’m not asking you to continue. By all means. Stop. Disinformation isn’t something I believe needs to be allowed a platform, though I do believe it is everyone’s duty to call it out when it happens.
Prove it then
I believe what I believe, and whoever shares my values, will get my support. Compromising on my values to get some kind of "strategic alliances" is something I don't do. If you look across the world and across history, that generally doesn't end well in the long term.
Bruh what do you think political parties are?
Unions, national alliances, society... It's all people compromising on their individual values.
Good for you for letting perfect be the enemy of good, bet you feel so vindicated as the world burns down around you.
And where did partisan politics bring us to? The world is burning down around us even without my help. I think this validates my point.
I dunno, I'd say the left tried it your way in 2016 and 2024 and how's that working out?
As long as you vote for someone I don't care whether you choose the candidate that I would vote for. There's no wasted votes, I've voted 3rd party when the major candidates aren't someone I can vote for in good conscience.
If you abstain on "principle" because there isn't a politician that perfectly aligns with your values then yeah, you're just dumb and you're part of the problem.
About 60% of the country votes in the general election, much less in the primaries, and much, much less in local elections. People that don't vote because they can't be assed suck, but the ones that sit on a high horse and scoff at the system that they play a huge hand in perpetuating through some misguided moral high ground are literally the worst.