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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

Do you accept that facebook is harmful to the world

Yes. But I believe it is harmful because of the way it has been leveraged to crowd out the public sector and strangle competitive private alternatives. It has become one wing of a massive tech sector cartel.

If you accept that, it’s a small step to “They benefit from having more users on their platform”.

That doesn't logically follow. No more than saying "Building more highways is bad for the environment, ergo the highway administrators benefit from having more cars on the road." You're looking at a problem of induced demand and concluding the problem is on the demand-side of the equation.

Now, getting one family to stop using facebook is a drop in the bucket.

It's one node in a massive web. And it's easy to say "Well, you have to do your part because ". But mostly it's just some random asshole on the internet telling me not to use my telephone because AT&T is run by a richer set of random assholes. There's no material benefit to me and no collective coordinated action that I'm seriously participating in.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 3 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

That doesn’t logically follow. No more than saying “Building more highways is bad for the environment, ergo the highway administrators benefit from having more cars on the road.” You’re looking at a problem of induced demand and concluding the problem is on the demand-side of the equation.

What? Yes it does. Facebook needs users to generate revenue. With no users, they can't sell ads or user data. How else do you think they make money? Do you not think making money is a benefit for the owners of facebook?

It’s one node in a massive web. And it’s easy to say “Well, you have to do your part because ”. But mostly it’s just some random asshole on the internet telling me not to use my telephone because AT&T is run by a richer set of random assholes. There’s no material benefit to me and no collective coordinated action that I’m seriously participating in.

You're reminding me of Eleanor from the good place. Do you also litter? Refuse to return shopping carts?

[–] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Why the fuck is Eleanor something people should know? Use your words

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 1 points 11 hours ago

She's a very selfish person who doesn't care about other people. She only cares about what benefits her. So when someone says "there's no material benefit to me" they sound like that kind of asshole.

Also it was a critically acclaimed show, not some obscure media.