It's like an entry rule for MAGAt women:
- Fuck up your face.
- See #1.
this post was submitted on 12 Aug 2025
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What on earth makes people think this is a desirable look? It’s grotesque. Like literally, in the classical art meaning, grotesque. Like living gargoyles. And many of them were actually beautiful before this butchery.
It's largely incidental.
Soft-tissue cosmetic surgery doesn't last. They're foreign objects in the body, so over time your body tries to break them down. Lip filler slowly diffuses around the bottom of your face, for example. Botox paralysing muscles affects strength and elasticity.
So it's a cursed treadmill. You can't stop getting surgery once you start. A single surgery will look worse than your unaltered face if you only have one, so every few years you have to get it again.
But.. all the old stuff is still in there. The muscle damage accumulates. The filler accumulates, and is impossible to remove. You might remove some of your own tissue to 'reshape' as it gets more advanced, but many just 'top up'.
Either way, you are permanently altered. They don't choose to look like this, they choose to make minor adjustments to look younger/hotter/etc that slowly turn them into this.
These big changes often are, though. You may regret it and get it removed, but you’re going to age far worse in any case.
There’s a whole movement right now of these people getting their surgery reversed, but in many cases the long-term damage has been done and you will age worse than if you hadn’t done it. You have scar tissue that will age differently, no matter how minor and no matter what you do.
It’s really sad, because these people are making themselves look worse now and they’ll also age worse, and they’ll likely hate that, then spend thousands more in that cycle, like you said.
As in, the desired results arent permanent. I'll edit to rephrase.
Yet the big changes typically aren't the cosmetic surgery, they're the damage. Either literally, or an attempt to treat it.
They might remove some cheek fat, but even that is them trying to catch up: because degraded filler makes their face look puffy and their lips ill-defined.
The filler is spread put around their cells regardless. It is impossible to remove. As is any muscular damage from long-term paralysis.
And yes, agreed. Reconstructive plastic surgery has lower risk, but when it comes to soft tissue cosmetic surgery, the only winning move is not to play.
I wish there were laws against this quackery, because it’s literally unscrupulous ‘doctors’ taking advantage of women who have been conditioned to believe they’re inferior, and especially by these doctors.
‘You could be pretty if’ [you lifted your cheeks, sculpted your nose, etc]. You’re like 90% there! [Draws lines on face in sharpie, so they’ll be there for 2 days, reminding you of everything he said was wrong every time you look in a mirror]. Just this quick thing and you’ll be perfect!
It’s abominable and should mean revocation of their licence to practice.
Gender affirming surgery laws?
You’re clearly not serious.
No. Quite obviously, because even you can see how intent, plus many more indicators, matters.
Try writing that law.
i feel like the movement is very niche and limited to rich people
I've known a number of people at the bottom end of the economic spectrum who have gone in for shit like this. This is what they save up for and spend their money on, at the expense of having a house and a viable retirement and taking care of their children etc. etc.
Unfortunately, you can find back-alley fillers and implants for cheap if you know where to look.
I'm starting to think cosmetic surgery shouldn't be allowed unless it's for a medical purpose like restructuring someone's face after being assaulted or something.
Purely cosmetic surgery seems like it's simply immoral doctors preying on insecure women.
Eh...I'd want a lot more effort spent to ensure patients are given 100% accurate, fully informed information re: outcomes and upkeep, and give consent only after seriously weighing that, but I dunno about banning purely cosmetic surgery.
A) I like the idea that humans have the freedom to modify their own bodies in whatever ways they see fit, so long as they accept the risks and realistic outcomes, and B) Banning would just create more underground practices, which is particularly bad for patient safety.
...being deemed mentally stable.
I'd go more mentally competent. Are you capable of understanding the risks and what the end state actually is? You've had some time after the doctor has demonstrably given you the whole set of information to make an informed decision? You still want to move forward? K, here's a surgery date.
Might just be me, but mental stability has some slippery connotations (thinking about the history of the term hysteria, different forms of social stigma turned into pathology, etc.) But we could very well be talking about the same thing using a different word.
I think mandatory warnings and better transparency should be enough. It's none of our business if someone wants to change their appearance, given that they're fully aware of the consequences.
And in this political climate, the government would deem transition surgeries to be "cosmetic" and "medically unnecessary".
A lot of the technical advancements in plastic surgery came about during and after WWI because of all the facial reconstruction of horribly wounded soldiers that had to be done. In that context, of course, it's a great thing, but it's a horror what it's turned into.
The same can be said for tattoos and piercings.
the botox prevents muscle movement, so the muscles atrophy and cause sagging so now they have to get more. anyone watches ISAIP, rob and kaitlyn went overboard on this too, now even thier hardcore fans are clowning how fake they are.
To be fair, there are people who get things done and you’d only know with a before and after. But when it goes wrong or gone too far, it’s awful. There are plenty of success stories that are invisible to the average person in passing
I think that's kind of their point. It's done so well so often, why do these people always get the ugly stick version? They can't all be using the same (bad) surgeon.
I think it's just taking it too far.
That, and chasing a certain 'aesthetic' the ultra wealthy like I guess (giant lips in particular).
This is what I don't understand about it. There's a good way to do that. DSL are a thing, but these examples are just bad plastic surgery.
I think it's a style, uh, very rich people like? Go look up Lauren Sanchez (Jeff Bezos's new wife), or the top luxury influencers on Instagram.
she look more like lizard with a permanent sfixed smile.
That’s the thing – this ‘aesthetic’ they’re chasing is the ugly stick version, and I strongly feel it’s because nobody in their bubble are willing to tell them they look like fucking homunculi. They pay people to tell them they’re gorgeous no matter what.
Actually I think there’s a lot of awareness?
I interacted with a lot of, uh, private school moms growing up, and breast implants (even when they were impractical or bad looking) were definitely a social expectation. There was some plastic surgery too. Many were aware, but it’s like a ticket for entry.
These people are way above that level (including Laura Loomer who is a mega rich celebrity), so I bet it’s just more extreme.
I was the kid of one of those moms in the late seventies. I think ‘awareness’ was very relative.
I think you’re right, anyhow.
Yes, this. I’ve seen some absolutely fantastic work, especially in rebuilding faces that have been damaged. It’s like some quacks have license to do their worst, and in an Emperor’s New Clothes situation, nobody wants to say how godawful their work is. Perhaps it’s the sunk cost fallacy, but someone does this and we’re not supposed to call it out as butchery for whatever reason, then it multiplies.
I'm not sure the doctors know. They see so much that it's beginning to look normal to them.
I mean…
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Come on.
she looks like the saw puppet
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I saw a doctor reality show for these procedures once, they didn't seem to know.
They make stupid amounts of money you’ll never see to ‘not know’.
Do you really think they don’t know, when that’s their whole job?
No, they’re lying to you.
kimberly has the worst one right now, and noem, goatkiller kristi is halfway there. lara trump is probably relieved that trump never "thirsted" for her.
If you have a lot of money you can get a lot of plastic surgery
It’s just like buying a big house or a bunch of expensive cars or a private trip to child rapist island: a status symbol
Sure, but one would think you’d want to look good, not like an Easter Island head.
Not really. Then you just look like a poor. This way people know you’re rich.
As an historic example, consider artificial cranial deformation
Maybe it's the fact that I am basically a couple generations removed from my kin being old money, but I think I'd rather just have a pair of pearl handled navy revolvers on the mantle instead. Combine that with tailored clothes and a butcher on call, maybe have a personal shooting range with access to what is effectively a personal hunting reserve.
That’s actual old money, building sometime that lasts. These people are new money and are flashy with it instead of buying appreciating assets
Fair enough, wonder why there is the difference though since even a lot of younger members of old money families seem to pull the same shit. My only guess is that it's connected to the concept of noble obligations that being that with wealth came responsibility, it's the best guess I have since a lot of American old money pulls from old European aristocrats to some degree.
Mind you this is mostly based off of my observation of how long my kin held wealth vs how they held themselves. The ones who couldve been called new money blew it all within a couple generations, the ones who had the oldest lineage of nobility at worst lost and rebuilt it within a generation. Probably a side effect of chasing glory and honor vs building up wealth as a number, also probably helps to have a thousand tales of your ancestors fucking up to pull wisdom from.
its called mara-lago face, on reddit with the same post, people said they are this way to attract conservative men, to whatever platform they are on, they are very shallow people.
I think that, for some rich people, it’s seen as a status symbol.
I've read this. Getting heavy work done shows how rich you are. Who wants plastic surgery that you have to tell people you had and how much disposable income you spent on it?
they have to keep getting it, because the olds where off, your face sags, or deforms, so you have do more procedures to fix it.
This is one of those “I’m explaining, not justifying” moments. Having said that: I think these threads give us a skewed view of the whole situation, leading to a completely unresolvable “whyyy???” Reaction.
The thing that made these people do something was probably some typical aging flaw like wrinkles or sagging skin. We don’t see that in the photos.
What we do see in the photos is:
a “before” photo that’s probably 10-15 years old, showing the person when they were young. We think “what was wrong with that???” But you have to age them 15 years to answer that question.
an “after” photo that’s as unflattering as possible. We all know that from one photo to the next, a person can look more or less photogenic depending on lighting, their expression, etc. Photos in a post like this are hyperselected for unattractiveness, especially of their surgery.
I believe in aging realistically but I’m also a man and my career isn’t bound up in the entertainment industry where my appearance is literally everything.
So given all this, I can still have a distaste for cosmetic surgery and shake my head at people doing it, but I don’t QUITE have total bewilderment over why WHY WWWHHHYYY??? because I can mainly see how the post is manipulated to produce that reaction, and I opt out of that manipulation.
Yes, the "why?" part, at least the beginnings of it are the more clear part. It still is intriguing the rabbit hole some of these people have gone into, and educational how money can't buy it all.
Same reason Michael Jackson looked the way he did. Mental illness.
Funny part about mental illness is, comorbidities are the norm, so they likely have other "atypical" neurological traits, like sociopathy.
This is all my own opinion and observations. Feel free to disagree:
Rich people are like all of us. They constantly feel this absence that they can't quite fill with material things, no matter how hard they try. They just have a lot of money to try more and more of those things. It's like compulsive gambling. The next spin will be the jackpot, I just know it!
The problem is they have too much money and don't know when/how to enjoy what they already have. Eventually, the dopamine they get from new and shinny things wears thin and they need to find more or something new to get it again.
Why do you think their current objectives are aimed at dismantling society and regression to earlier eras? They've gotten to a point where nothing makes them happy so they think society is the reason. They also want regression because many of them have fond memories of their childhood and associate the time period with those pleasant feelings.
Unfortunately, the problem is in their head. We're all just along for the ride. Even if they are successful at tearing down society, and even if they somehow come out of that time on top, it won't last. Then they'll die having destroyed the planet and countless lives chasing a fictitious world comprised entirely of a fleeting hormone in their brain.
People on their deathbeds often cite similar regrets of focusing on shit that doesn't matter, while letting the things that do matter wither away. It's why I don't like to participate in a lot of the same things, at 40, that my peers do, and why I never have. I enjoy the journey and don't feel there was ever a destination. It's why the attitudes of some with power upset me. I don't want to be a part or their sickness, yet like most of you, I have no choice.
I hate it here.