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See that's my only problem with other people on the left.... Conservatives will always support other conservatives. They'll vote for them regardless.
Liberals, Progressives, leftists, they'll kneecap other without hesitation because they can't stand simple progress. They want radical change. And if you can't provide that, then they won't vote, they won't support anyone, they'll talk absolute shit about candidates, ideas, etc.
God forbid anyone tries to sell progressivism to the public... You can always guarantee a leftist will come out of the fucking woodworks to poo poo on it because it's just not left enough for them. Assholes.
Agreed 100%. And I'd expand it further (and more impactfully) many moderates would rather let the country delve into fascism than the mystery box of progressivism that (in their mind) might eventually lead to fascism or higher taxes when they finally become a billionaire.
Moderates and progressives need to agree on a candidate (primary), then both sides need to support them.
We agreed on a candidate. (Bernie)
And the Dems decided to railroad the other candidate through anyway. It makes absolutely perfect sense why progressives think liberals are full of shit.
Hell, Dems are fighting harder against Mamdani right now than they are against Donald, a literal fascist president.
You forgot to tell the voters in these yellow states.
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A leftist correctly critized me today. I guess we can't ever have nice things anymore.
It's talking passed eachother. Something any of us can do. No one here should have a problem with what's in the meme. Liberal in general conversation is a good thing. Everyone wants liberal amounts of freedom. Or liberal amounts of butter on their toast. Etc Etc Etc.
The average person is so ignorant they don't have an understanding of any political structures to have anything of value to say. So most don't. It was never intended as liberal as in economic liberal, or neoliberal both basically meaning capitalists. Chances are they all have similar gripes to us about capitalists. But simply have no understanding of how to voice it in an educated way. And this sort of behavior certainly isn't going to fix that.
As anarchist I would have plenty of places I might disagree with someone who would self describe as liberal. But I know we have far more places we might agree. That neither of us identify with elected officials. That we both feel trapped in this system. That we both want it to be more answerable and representative. We might disagree on how and how much. But we'd both benefit working together against the system. And in the interaction. Perhaps they learn something new and become a proper new ally.
Liberals are not on the same end of the political spectrum as leftists. That is why leftists don’t like dealing with them or joining forces with them. Because 9 times out of 10, on issues leftists care about, liberals will side with the right wing.
This is false. And no I won't humor your endless arguing about it.
Bullshit.
I mean liberals think they are until an issue that actually matters arises. Having enough decency to not think minorities should be killed off doesn’t make you a leftist automatically. Thinking the world shouldn’t be run as a Christian fascist autocracy doesn’t by itself make you a leftist. And you can’t just have those two insanely low bars in common with leftists and then be confused when they won’t side with you every election without question.
What the hell are you talking about.
Is this one of those things where you’re mad at/about the Bolsheviks again or something? Are we gonna lose our chains again?
lol say whatever intentionally ignorant crap you want but the upvotes/downvotes agree with me. Until liberals understand that they’re not going to be able to functionally ally with leftists.
Downvotes from “AngryCommieKender” and “10OhmResistor”? Lol yeah you’ve got a huge plurality of the fourteen votes proving your point.
Leftists are pants-wetting screaming babies who can’t be arsed to do the simplest thing to help get us out of this insane chaos they helped get us into.
I disagree entirely with the Democratic strategy to reach out to “moderates” for votes, but I sure as shit understand it. Why bother moving left if leftists are arrogant self-absorbed navel-gazing buttmunchers that can’t get their shit together to run ONE fucking candidate for ONE office much less form a national political party that can gather 5000 signatures.
Please. If you want to pretend Communism as practiced by the Soviets is super cool, great - just stay out of real discussions about politics.
Leftists have run candidates. Many times. But liberals would rather vote for a right wing candidate than a leftist. Which is also why leftists no longer see a point in working with them. You’re just proving my point.
On a personal note, I also don’t like working with noodle armed wieners who are ignorant to the fact that they’re siding with fascists anyway. I have more self respect than that.
Who? And if “leftists” are running candidates no one wants to vote for, you’re blaming “liberals” and claiming it proves your point? Is it not possible those candidates sucked?
On a personal note I also don’t like working with supposed American voters whose self-absorbed sophistry is so dumb they ended up supporting literal fascism in progress at this very moment and still can’t understand that.
Your last point isn't correct. You can find people like that on any side of the political spectrum.
Regarding the first and second part, it can be simply due to Conservatives all being in a cult while being uneducated, while Liberals/Progressives/Leftists are mostly all educated and tend to have their own opinions.
You kinda just proved the bro's point by bitching and moaning about the details and ignoring the substance.
I don't think so. I've nearly just pointed out some lies and inconsistencies in his logic. I also agree that Liberals will never unify and keep fighting each other. But the way he phrased his point was that Conservatives had their shit together and Liberals don't. The truth is neither have their shit together, but for different reasons.
Bro had a Reddit ahh comment and I had to reply
Did liberals unify in 2020?
It's also just a lie. Conservatives are constantly in a crabs-in-a-bucket-esque power struggle. The only thing ensuring cohesion on the right is the cult of personality surrounding trump. They all want their particular flavor of oppression to be the one at the top and are happy to stab eachother in the back as soon as the opportunity arises.
Left unity is similarly a myth. The left is full of diverse ideologies, many of which are fundamentally incompatible with one another. We've already tried the "left unity" thing before, it lead to the Bolsheviks purging anarchists the second they had the chance, and there's no reason to believe that left unity would play out any differently nowadays. And while I'm at it, liberals are center right at best and "leftists" should stop concerning themselves so much with what libs think about our politics
Such as? Just curious.
Oh. Nm.
I don't consider anti-liberal and Tankies as left like at all. Hexbear and ML literally supported Trump ffs.
That's not true. But I can't compel myself to waste time providing evidence when you won't read it in the first place. So fuck it, and fuck this community.
Great argument you changed my mind.
Yeah? OK dont read these then:
https://mediarelations.gwu.edu/media-tip-sheet-gop-infighting-threatens-upend-house-majority
https://apnews.com/article/republicans-house-leadership-chaos-states-infighting-bb5d9287214cd5aa0a1fdf03b56bebcb
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/project-2025-author-challenging-sen-lindsey-graham-in-gop-primary
Bro I already said that you changed my mind.
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Oh sure they “fight” all the time, they just ultimately end up voting for whatever trump (or Bush or whothefuckever) says. i.e. “support”.
Largely because they all believe in the imaginary construct of White Jesus, or a worldview that is compatible with it.