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[–] yucandu@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Or even better, the position of president or prime minister should have little power.

[–] iglou@programming.dev 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You don't want that. France tried that, a couple of times, it didn't work. Government ended up deadlocked and falling every 6 months. Our 5th republic granted more power to the presidency, and now it's a little better.

What you do want, however, is the head of state and the head of government to be two distinct persons. Which is not the case in the USA.

[–] Arcka@midwest.social 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

When having these roles be distinct, aren't the only pieces intrinsic to the head of state merely ceremonial?

[–] iglou@programming.dev 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No! France has a head of state (the president) and a head of government (prime minister).

They are both powerful, none of these role is performative.

[–] Arcka@midwest.social 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

But where are the divisions and do other instances of government with separation of these roles divide the power in the same places?

Which powers have to go to the head of state for it to really be considered the head of state in more than just name?

[–] iglou@programming.dev 1 points 22 hours ago

Oof, that's a tough question to answer in here. There is no really good way to generalise who has what power, and there is probably many ways to split the powers in a meaningful way.

You can read the articles on both positions specifically for France, which I do think in this case is a great example, on wikipedia, although if you want a more precise and complete understanding you'd probably have to read the french article and translate it.

The main advantage of this system is that when the president doesn't have the majority to support him in the parliament, most of the executive power de facto shifts to the prime minister, who is usually nominated (by the president) in accordance with the parliament's majority coalition. When that's not done, the parliament can move to "censor" the government and force the president to nominate a new prime minister, who then nominates the rest of the government.

That system is a good way to make sure the president doesn't do whatever the fuck they want if the parliament disagrees.

[–] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 day ago

In theory the US Federal govt should be split into branches so that it has power, but the checks and balances between branches prevent any single branch from dominating. Which sucks when all 3 branches collude to hand all the power to the executive branch, which then wields the Federal govt to dominate the states.

For the record, a similar system where the states remain separate with a centralized governing body, but with less power than a Federalist one is called a Confederacy...so yeah, we tried that in the US once too. On the flip side, Switzerland's Confederation seems to be working out pretty great for them.

[–] Quadhammer@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

When the Senate's full of cucks, they let you do it