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[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 107 points 3 days ago (12 children)

If we only believe the victims, Trump is guilty of being involved in a pedophile ring beyond a reasonable doubt.

We only need the Epstein Files to "prove" this because we don't believe the victims.

[–] ozymandias@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 3 days ago

the whole “believe victims” thing is a trap… presenting a false dilemma to disbelieve or believe them….
but in a reasonable world, a victim’s testimony is evidence but not proof… evidence is enough to investigate and look for proof, and enough witnesses becomes as good as proof.
when you have someone as powerful as a president, there will always be a lot of liars… it’s just the law of large numbers, so the burden of proof becomes higher.
also, all reasonable people know that trump is a rapist and a pedophile by now, we just need proof to force people to admit it.

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