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[–] carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 week ago (3 children)

a certain number of those horrible men would turn a corner and start to act like a human

over here in Real World Land, what will happen is those women will get abused, physically and sexually

these men have a violent hatred for women. they don’t need a girlfriend, they need therapy and, failing that, a life of imprisonment far from the people they’re a danger to

[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

over here in Real World Land, what will happen is those women will get abused, physically and sexually

I wasn't talking about that because it was an impossible hypothetical designed to show one aspect. Just the idea of forcing women to date men is abusive in itself. You don't need to expound on the other consequences. It was already horrible, but I was making a point about something else.

It's like how people learn logic in elementary school. If I say, "Some birds are red," that doesn't imply that I'm saying, "No birds are blue". I said, "A certain number" of those men would turn a corner. That doesn't imply that "none" of those men would become abusive. In fact, conversely, the way that you're saying it could be read that you're saying "all" of those men would become abusive. I mean, that's what you're literally saying, but I'm sure you don't mean it, because I think there is nobody who would actually believe that.

[–] bollybing@lemmynsfw.com 5 points 1 week ago

Some of them will. Andrew Tate has over 10m twitter followers including a lot of teenagers and young men. While many of them will be inspired to commit physical and sexual violence against women, I think most of them actually won't and can and will grow out of it as they get older and have some experience with women.

Most Trump voters aren't rabid maga fanatics, they're just the visible minority. I think the same is true for Tate followers.

[–] zarathustra0@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

failing that, a life of imprisonment far from the people they’re a danger to

I'm just going to leave this here, it's a good book that might be worthwhile reading: Violence: Reflections on a National Epidemic - James Gilligan