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Duckstation(one of the most popular PS1 Emulators) dev plans on eventually dropping Linux support due to Linux users, especially Arch Linux users. (reddthat.com)

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[–] neclimdul@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Hi, I'm a subsystem maintainer for the Drupal project, a security team member, and over the years have helped maintain several of the largest projects in the ecosystem. I've also contributed to a number of open source projects over the years and have a lot of experience collaborating with maintainers to get fixes committed going back to early amd64 fixes coming out of testing in the gentoo project before Intel even had a real 64bit platform. I've got a pretty good feel for how this works and it's safe to say FLOSS is kinda my day job.

[+] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world -14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

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[–] neclimdul@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You got me, I'm impersonating some other neclimdul guy that's easily Googleable and matches the description I gave. I registered this account two years ago and participated in discussions all this time so I could trick you specifically Hawkeye. You really did call me out. Good one.

[+] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world -14 points 3 days ago (2 children)

you act like it's impossible for anyone to go register that name.

I don't know who you are. I didn't even google your name because I really don't care enough who you claim to be.

my point is, your original comment called him out as petty and even so I believe that's warranted. if a group of people are using the tools that he created in a way that he doesn't like or want, is he not entitled to make a change to stop that from happening?

at that point the whole community could fork the repo and do their own thing. but no, entitled shitlord users want to post ragebait shitposts and call the dude an asshole for putting his foot down and drawing a line because he's had enough of entitled shitlord package managers.

the guy didn't do anything wrong, because as the maintainer he has the sole responsibility and vision of where he wants to take his project. the community isn't wrong is forking it either.

the only people who are wrong are the ones calling him a petty bitch asshole for doing the thing he's supposed to do!

[–] datalowe@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

You say you don't care who they are but you're the one who first claimed to know that, when you called them "an anonymous user who has never contributed to foss outside of a whiney bug report or two.". You seemed to think it very important. Moreover, it's not impossible for the user to have been impersonating a FOSS developer for a couple of years, but what do you think the probability of that is? What would they gain? It seems far more probable that they simply are the same person.

Noone called the developer a "petty bitch asshole" from what I saw, putting words in others' mouths doesn't seem to help the discussion.

I agree with your overall sentiment that we can sympathize with the dev, even if they're obviously not perfect themselves. FOSS is hard for everyone engaging with it.

It is a games console emulator project. Noone's livelihood or business hinges on this AFAIU, and there are alternative emulators for the PS. If anything I'd hope people - maintainers, contributors, users - would be more cool and relaxed about it. It's the kind of project I wish would give everyone involved more energy and experience for other endeavors in their lives. What's even the point if it's not fun?

[–] neclimdul@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

really don’t care enough who you claim to be. You asserted pretty matter of fact who I was starting this discussion but ok.

if a group of people are using the tools that he created in a way that he doesn’t like or want, is he not entitled to make a change to stop that from happening?

In short no. At least not if you're software is GPL, then you don't have any say in how its used. Its the bargain we make when we choose an open license as it specifically grants the right to use software freely. So up to last year, he has no say in how its used. And honestly, If download and compile the CC version today he doesn't get any say either. For the most part even proprietary software like Windows don't get a lot of say in how things are used either if you pay for it.

at that point the whole community could fork the repo and do their own thing. but no, entitled shitlord users want to post ragebait shitposts and call the dude an asshole for putting his foot down and drawing a line

There are forks of the GPL code. They're in the fork tab in github. Also a trip to google finds this version https://github.com/libretro/swanstation which appears to have been forked for 4 years now. There are also other PS emulators that seem more popular in things like retropie where it would be more widely distributed so not sure how much interest there actually is.

because he’s had enough of entitled shitlord package managers. Genuine question, what did the package managers do that's so "shitlord"? I can guess about bug reports or complaints about licensing(guess because issues are closed) but really don't know what he's mad about the packaging thing. There are some community aur's but they seem fine.

duckstation-git "most popular" clones the github source and compiles it locally. Its downloading the source directly so can't be any more unmodified and allowed under the restrictive CC license.
duckstation-qt-bin downloads the app image from the official github and extracts
duckstation - Also builds from source but pinned to old gpl release. looks to patch and update some libraries for compatibility? GPL code so modifications fair game.
duckstation-preview-latest-bin also just downloads app image and extracts

So none of the aurs distribute anything built on arch infrastructure, its all unmodified versions exactly like his license and readme specify.

the guy didn’t do anything wrong, because as the maintainer he has the sole responsibility and vision of where he wants to take his project

Sure, he can do what ever he wants I guess. Accept what ever PR, commit what ever code. He can even delete everything tomorrow(I believe he's done it before?) because he thinks neclimdul specifically is a jerk and was mean to him on lemmy and no other reason. That doesn't make his decision good or reasonable or right. I mean you don't seem to like me but I hope you get my point.

But just to really be clear why I think this was a jerk move, https://github.com/stenzek/duckstation/blob/master/CMakeModules/DuckStationBuildSummary.cmake#L38

This doesn't block packaging, it blocks compiling on any arch system. Its a poison pill because he didn't like some people using a specific distro and doesn't really affect me but strikes me as pretty petty.