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i absolutely hate how the modern web just fails to load if one has javascript turned off. i, as a user, should be able to switch off javascript and have the site work exactly as it does with javascript turned on. it's not a hard concept, people.

but you ask candidates to explain "graceful degradation" and they'll sit and look at you with a blank stare.

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[–] kieron115@startrek.website 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I thought graceful degradation in terms of web design was mostly just to promote using the latest current browser features but to allow it to fall back to the feature set of, say, 1 or 2 previous browser versions. Not to support a user completely turning off a feature that has been around for literal decades? I think what you're promoting is the "opposite" side, progressive enhancement, where the website should mostly work through the most basic, initial features and then have advanced features added later for supported browsers.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Not OP, But welcome to my TED talk.

Supporting disabled JavaScript is a pretty significant need for accessibility features. None of the text browsers supported JavaScript until 2017, and there's still a lot of old tech out there that doesn't deal well with it.

It wasn't until the rise of react and angular that this became a big deal. But, It's extremely common now to send most of the website as code. And even scrapers now support JavaScript.

There's no "minor point" clause on the term graceful degredation. At the same time, there's no minimum requirement. Would it be good to be thorough and provide a static page? I'd say yes but it's not like anyone is going to do that anymore.

The tables have turned, You can no longer live without JavaScript and now you need browsers that lie about your screen resolution, agent and your plugins because mega corps can sniff who you are by the slightest whiff of your configs.

And that's NOT pretty cool

[–] kieron115@startrek.website 3 points 2 days ago

Thanks for the response, good points all around. The fingerprinting is the most convincing argument to me but I think the accessibility issue you bring up is more important.