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[–] Rooskie91@discuss.online 368 points 2 days ago (10 children)

Wow so fuck college students but machines deserve free textbooks?

Fuck this society.

[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 141 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Just tell your campus book store that you self-identify as AI. FREE BOOKS!

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 49 points 2 days ago (1 children)

But you aren't an oligarch of the fascist dictatorship, so you have no rights.

[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Bold of you to assume I'm not a fascist oligarch. Mebbe I am?

[–] Pyro@programming.dev 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The fuck are you doing on fedi then? Go exploit more people or something

[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I tried once. I'm hardwired with compassion and a strong moral and ethical framework.

Last time I tried so hard at employee wage theft and I ended up giving my guys a bonus and the afternoon off. I'm just not cut-out for fascist oligarchy.

[–] Pyro@programming.dev 1 points 1 day ago

It's ok buddy. After all, you're just a dog that drinks coffee.

[–] errer@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

It’s only ok if you destroy the books in the process. Eating the pages as you read them is the most convenient way. So free food AND free books!

[–] anamethatisnt@sopuli.xyz 70 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Just download digital copies of the textbooks and say you need them as training material for your own AI dataset when the copyright holders come after you.

[–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 days ago

I'm training a neural network. It's just that the neural network is 1 layer with zero data reduction -so it's only capable of printing the text exactly as the source material on my computer! AI finally works!

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

Just download the books and say its for your neural network project

just happens your also the project

[–] dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 2 days ago

machine learning = good
human learning = bad

[–] nuko147@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago

~~machines~~ * big Tech Corps

[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Countless dystopian novels have explored machine‘s human rights but the machines have already been granted more rights than us in our own dystopia. 💀

[–] Lembot_0004@discuss.online 11 points 2 days ago (2 children)

You don't have libraries in the schools there in the USA? (It is a question, not sarcasm or something)

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 31 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Not for textbooks...

Like, if your curious there's a bunch of info out there about why the situation is so fucked.

But in general they release new editions almost every year, with the same information just shuffled so page numbers are different. Even really petty stuff like keeping the same practice work, but changing the order of answers so you need the most updated book every year.

[–] Lembot_0004@discuss.online 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Oh, fuck... I see. My condolences.

[–] baronvonj@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (2 children)

And a lot of professors write their own text book.

[–] Voyajer@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

At least those professors seem to either price their books reasonably or readily pirate it themselves to distribute.

[–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

Probably once they realize how little they get compared to the book price.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 8 points 2 days ago

the good ones ensure older verisons are still valid for their course work and only do annual editions because they're contractually obligated by their publisher.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

The cool professors used to make a "study guide" especially if it was their own book that they'd give out for free and told everyone to return the books

It's been a minute, so not sure if it's a thing still.

But yeah. Unregulated capitalism pretty much always ends this way.

You have to buy the book, so they pump out new editions constantly and charge insane prices. It's a captive market

[–] derfunkatron@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (2 children)

My univeristy library would often have one or two copies of the current textbook on course reserve in the library. This meant that 1) you had to know where the course reserves were, 2) hope you could get it before one of the other 100-150 students also taking that course got it first, and 3) hope some dickhead didn’t just take it off the shelf and hide it in their study carrel or in a quiet corner of the library. Number 3 gets worse the higher the level of degree you are studying.

[–] grysbok@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 2 days ago

My library, you have to check out books on reserve from the circulation desk. They're for in-library use only, 3 or 6 hours at a time, and if you take it into a study room and scan the whole thing with your phone we saw nothing.

We don't like the constant churn of textbooks, either. They eat into our budget. We really appreciate when a professor lends us their personal copies of a textbook for us to keep on reserve. We also try and steer instructions to Open Educational Resources (OER), which are available for free.

Wealth disparity sucks and shouldn't result in different access to education.

hope some dickhead didn’t just take it off the shelf and hide it in their study carrel

Or rip out some of the pages to fuck everybody else over.

[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

We do. The issue is at the college/university level, most courses require specific edition textbooks (they update them every 1-2 years) that the professors assign homework questions out of. You'll be lucky if the school library has a copy more recent than the last 8 years.
Then on top of that, many professors will also use digital 3rd party homework services that are tied to a textbook access code that you only get with a new copy. So unless you pay up you can't do homework and fail the class.

The whole system is fucking bullshit

[–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago

My university (well, typically the professor) usually made sure there was at least one copy of the current course's text book in the library. Yes, that means there was exactly one copy available for us poor students to share. At least it was put on the "reference" list so no one could take it home - just study it in the library and then put it back on the shelf. I don't know if that's possible now that they are going to digital editions.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

it's fine when the theft flows up the pyramid. it's not fine when the theft is us stealing back what was always ours

[–] andallthat@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

actually Donnie's friends prefer to fuck high school students

[–] InnerScientist@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

"I'm going to training ai using this"

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Yes, one would expect human intelligence to benefit quite a lot from free access to information.

Become a more common occurrence too. Possibly an effect much stronger than that of AI requiring lots of computation with unpredictable shittiness of the output.