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It's a little late now that there's camps, sure. If people had refused harder to put up with shitty democrats in the past, like.. decades past.. then the dems would've lost to past republicans who weren't quite dictators.
In that alternate past where the dems actually lose for being center-right corporatists, they would've had to get some kind of spine or plan or... something.. earlier to protect our public news and education from authoratarian misinformation and maybe prevented this bullshit.
In this current world that we actually have though... I mean you saw we elected Biden, right? And you saw how much good that did -- right? We need somebody on our side with some teeth and rolling over for milquetoast donation collectors is not going to get it for us.
But... we have repeatedly lost to past Republicans who weren't quite dictators, and it largely moved the Dems right every time it happened??
Again, electing Biden was harm reduction. Biden was never a cure. Arguably, the Dems themselves will never be a cure for what ails us. But if it comes down to the centrist or the Nazis, man, you gotta go with the centrist. We have a million other ways to address the deeper problems than begging elected officials for scraps; but if elected officials, with the approval of the fucking electorate, decide to start liquidating people, we have only a handful of ways of addressing that - none of them easy or guaranteed of success.
Elections might not save us, but they can absolutely kill us.
What people don't realize is that the Dems have generally been pretty happy with the way things were going. They don't mind losing elections from time to time if that means they continue to occasionally win without changing in any way.
It's basically a fight of demands and consequences. If the people want a better government and threaten not to vote for Dems if they are not gonna get it, the Dems have to choose between improving or losing one election. If the Dems want to stay the same, the people have to choose between letting them stay the same or getting something much worse from the GOPs.
The question then becomes: on the long term, who can better endure the consequences of their choice, the people or the Democratic party?
If you want the Dems to lose and learn a lesson, you (and everyone else around you) will need them to continue losing until they do learn, otherwise you'll be facing consequences without any benefits.
Who can better endure the consequences of their choices - the rich elite who can change allegiances if things get really dire and maintain their current standard of living, more or less; or the people who are put under ever-increasingly oppressive economic, social, and civic systems by every GOP victory?
... I think the answer should be obvious.
The "We have to make the DNC SUFFER and then they'll give in!" is utterly divorced from reality. The DNC losing elections is not a serious form of suffering for them. Most of them are already rich; they'll be put out by losing power, but most will not meaningfully suffer from its loss. The rest of us, on the other hand, are trying to avoid RFK's camps for concentration.
The way we beat the DNC is either establishing a third party with a real chance of success, which means mass organizing and, especially, campaigning for offices other than president every four fucking years; or, like the Tea Party did, using a faction in the party (generally through participation in the primaries, which no one but fucking ancient centrist ghouls seem to fucking vote in) to take over the party entirely and replace the leadership with those who are aligned with our interests.
Or revolution. But that seems less likely than either of the other two options. Not that we may have a choice, depending on how successful the fascist regime is in the coming years.