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I'm both of these people at the same time. Voting for centrists doesn't work
Voting for centrists will not get us appreciable progress.
Allowing Nazis to win will absolutely send us backwards into ever-more horrifically genocidal policy.
Harm reduction means voting for the centrists when they're the only alternative to the Nazis so we have time to make alternatives, instead of arguing over who's going to stab the kapo in our concentration camp.
O mean I did vote for Biden in 2020. And he won. Didn't stop trump somehow. That's a failure, and not of me not voting right. Shitty centrists with no spine is shown not to work to stop fascism
Was my explanation of harm reduction not clear enough, or are you regarding 2020-2024 as Trump years despite all evidence to contrary?
It didn't work! If voting blue no matter who doesn't even get rid of trump even if he loses the election what's it even good for? It didn't even stop us from 2 trump terms! Biden was too weak and cowardly to throw trump in jail for a treasonous attack on the Capitol and that's not my fault as a voter
As stated - buying time.
Voting is locking the door when the fascists come to kick the door down. It will not save us on its own, but it buys us time to make other preparations.
If there's an argument going on about whether to lock the door or not, your answer should be absolutely to lock the door even if the others think that will be sufficient (it won't be). Because locking the door buys you time to make other preparations and, ideally, perhaps even convince some of the idiots warily eyeing the door that maybe they should grab a fucking baseball bat or something.
Especially considering, in this case, even in the worse case scenario of not making any progress in four years (and, I would like to remind everyone, that we, not the Dems, but organizers on the ground, made significant progress during the Biden years because we weren't constantly trying to fight off active literal fascists, just fighting centrist proceduralist ghouls, which is much less time and resource intensive), considering Trump's health, we might have managed at least to outwait that particular ghoul until he croaked on his own, which would have been fantastic for disrupting the fascists further and giving us more of an opening to push progressive politics against a temporarily-disunited GOP.
That's not your fault as a voter, legitimately.
Again, the blame on the electorate here is on people who abstained in 2024 - and the blame there is not for Biden's absolutely insufficient centrist ghoul of a term - the blame is that we now have fucking Trump in office.
And if you voted for Harris in 2024, and are just disillusioned now? That's completely legitimate. Fuck, I'm not even sure that there is a way out of this fucking hole. But if there is - whatever solution that comes up will need unity, not purity politics - and I would also like to remind all those people in democracies which are still managing to chug along that letting the fascists win out of some idea of accelerationism is not actually a solution. As seen by... everything in the US.
We’ve been voting centrist for decades now and the nazis have more power than ever.
Signed, a Harris voter