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Blaming people for not voting for shit candidates isn’t going to accomplish what you’re hoping for, just saying.
Yeah, people deserve to vote for a party they actually support.
I'm quite glad where I live has an MMP system, and there is likely to be a party that represents most views.
Elections are a compromise. Democracy by nature is compromise. FPTP sucks, but it's the system we had, so you either have to work with it, or burn shit, and not nearly enough nonvoters or 3rd party voters are out here burning enough shit to convince me that they are actually against the system. So in reality they were just naive idealists who couldn't stomach voting for the best viable candidate, and saddled the rest of us with that orange shit-stain instead.
I'm curious - what do you think I'm trying to accomplish?
There’s some good in what you’re doing, which is creating awareness to the issue of what’s going on currently. But this blaming of a very small group of people, using hindsight mind you, isn’t helping us get any further from fascism.
There's no good in what OP is doing. They're a CIA asset doing anti-left propaganda and scapegoating.
Is it really hindsight if it's exactly what I was saying before it happened, and what anyone with half a working eye could see was going to happen?
Ultimately, it is, from an objective standpoint, a small proportion of the US that thinks like this. A larger amount is influenced by it.
But we also work in the communities we are in - in Lemmy, this thinking remains widespread. I mean, fuck, look down this comment thread.
Ultimately, my goal is more to highlight that allowing fascism because you really want to teach the shitlibs a lesson is not acceptable. Not 'not acceptable' in the sense that it's a bad thing to do, though it is. "Not acceptable" as in "people who do it should not be treated as friends or comrades".
I grew up in a conservative area. It's exactly the same dynamic as conservatives with their liberal friends. Their liberal friends will always, continously asspat them for their 'economic anxiety', and the conservatives will keep getting worse - because there are no social consequences. Not a cold shoulder, not even a rebuke. But the fact is, voting for my death, and the death of millions of others, out of some sense of internal purity of the soul, is not the action of anyone who should be welcomed into decent society. It must be highlighted that this is absolutely a grotesque and vile (in)action, and that the cold shoulder is the appropriate response - not giving them asspats for their 'moral principles' in murdering millions.
When people suffer no pushback from their social circles - or worse, encouragement - for their actions, they begin to see their actions like a game. It's part of the reason why the GOP has radicalized so much since the 90s - liberals give no pushback, not on the national stage, and not in their communities. You're still invited for the barbecue after voting to murder John's trans cousin. You're still invited to the Christmas dinner after voting to deport Tim's wife. "It's just politics". And for an online community which rejects that particularly grotesque charade, they seem eager to repeat it if "It's just 'left' politics", with everything from supporting Uyghur genocide to enabling a Trump victory.
There's no difference between the two - other than that left (or 'left') politics are more rare in America's meatland. And it shouldn't be passed over that that's so.
Is the goal to rally everyone to vote blue with this strategy? How about for the next elections, we look into what leftists’ issues are, and primary someone that will actually win? Because this is a failure of a plan before it’s even going to happen. I want fascism to end as much as you do, but if we are actually serious about ending it, we have to put down our petty squabbles and actually unite against it.
There's no guarantee that the next election will even involve the Dems as a major party. The goal is to isolate and reduce the prevalence of people abstaining or making protest votes instead of serious strategic decisions because they know they'll get feted from their core online circlejerks, and asspats from their broader online circles. Can't fix the former, but we can fix the latter.
And what happens when the leftists decide one of their pet issues is more important than winning, like they did in 2024? What happens if that pet issue is one that isn't popular amongst the general electorate?
We should work to put leftist candidates in, but no candidate is going to be perfect - even Mamdani already has folk on the left attacking him - it must be emphasized that purity testing is not the way forward.
... so how is asspatting leftists for refusing to unite against it going to help, again? This whole situation is predicated in part on leftists refusing to unite with the anti-fascist coalition candidate with the furthest left platform in my lifetime, and probably since fucking Truman, against a literal Nazi candidate. If your opinion is that we need unity, encouraging self-righteous leftists in playing purity politics seems pretty fucking counterproductive.
Well your current path only helps the nazis, so maybe try something different.
"It only helps the Nazis if you criticize the people who enabled the Nazis!"
Jesus Christ. So many commenters here are determined to defend the feelings of purity politics voters who literally delivered us to the fucking Nazis and will do so again at the first opportunity.
The left enabled nazis - PugJesus
Not the fucking liberal democrats who had the power and responsibility to get people to vote for them. It's the minority of leftists who are truly the problem in this country, and pug Jesus will never shut the fuck up about it.
It will never cease to amaze me when these people blame the voters, instead of blaming the people with the power, the platform, and the money for where we are today.
You're absolutely right, our aristocratic overlords are the only ones with any responsibility; it's okay for 'leftist' voters to let Nazis win if the Dem elites aren't entertaining enough for them. Minority lives are only worth however much they make you feel good for voting at the ballot box.
Alright lets break this down,
You're implying there's only two options, either vote blue no matter who or enable facism and Nazis. This removes literally all guilt and dismisses legit and continuous criticism of the Democrats actions and shortcomings.
You're straw-manning leftists arguments as shallow or selfish by making it about "how good you feel voting at the ballot box" yet our critiques are expressly aimed at policy failures of Democrats. We want healthcare, we want to end the wars, we want better foreign policy decisions, etc etc but somehow you can just sum it up as "you want to feel good when voting"
OF COURSE I want to feel good while voting, because I have fucking morals and I do not believe we should actively hand power to people who are not going to follow through with what they say, as the Democrats have done for my entire life paying attention to politics.
You're completely overlooking accountability of the democratic party in every way, the Democratic Party decides their platform, turnout strategy and need to inspire voters to vote for them. You're deflecting all blame they absolutely SHOULD GET away from the powerful "aristocracy" as you put it.
You completely ignore structural issues in our voting system like gerrymandering, voter suppression and the two party system itself. You're blaming individuals for a system we had no hand in creating.
Ultimately you're just trying to weaponize guilt, overly simplify complex issues to suit your narrative, misrepresent leftist views and evade accountability through emotional arguments.
Look inward and be better, or more likely given your amount of posting, find a different job.
Uh, considering that the two options were "Blue cretin" or "The literal Nazi" in 2024 in a FPTP system where both parties had near-majority support?
Yes. By definition, that's true.
Fucking what.
Jesus Christ, do you just have an imaginary lib in your head you're arguing with or something?
Would you like to remind me who elects the people in charge of the Dem party?
Go ahead. Remind me.
"We want these things, so we're going to let the Nazis win"
Fucking brilliant. Enjoy the blood on your hands, Nazi. Glad you felt good about supporting Nazis, at least. It would be horrible if you felt bad about murdering minorities.
Lol did y'all really delete this post, pitiful
Buddy, you're doing their work for them. Divide and conquer. Right now you are the nazi.
"Divide and conquer"
Would you like to remind me who 'divided' and failed to show unity against the literal Nazis in the very real scenario we're discussing and has already happened?
PROTIP: It's the ones who refused to vote against the literal fucking Nazi.
Yes, it was the Democratic leadership, who tried to pull in voters from the party of the Nazis. All while telling the anti-Nazi voters to sit down and shut up. The Dems proudly ran around the stage with Republicans, and moved their policies to the right.
They thought enough of the left still understood how elections worked. I agree it was a dumb strategy to try going after the supposed "moderate Republicans" who aren't fully in the cult, but the Dems having shit leaders and dumb strategies was not a good reason to help elect Trump.
Who is advocating for helping to elect Trump? I certainly wasn't. I want that PoS out more than I want the Dems out.
I was referring to all of the people who are supposed allies and leftists but advocated not voting for Harris when the only possible outcome of not voting for Harris was to empower Trump. I doubt they contributed significantly to Trump winning but regardless, they did exactly what Trump wanted them to do. If you're one of them, I hope you figure things out and do the right thing if we get a next time.
And what do you expect to gain by berating them? Right now you're the nazis' best friend, doing their job for them of keeping their enemies fighting each other.
What do you expect to gain by asspatting them? Other than the continuation of their behavior without consequences? I guess you're really eager to see this scenario play out again. Anything to put Nazis in power, I guess.
I expect the conservatives leading the DNC to back off so we can start fixing things. If that doesn't happen no amount of you making yourself feel better by attacking innocent people will help.
Man, they're not going to back off of their own accord, and moderates now are spooked because, especially after Trump won the popular vote for the first time, most of the party wants to go more moderate, as fucking insane as that is.
By letting Trump win, we've sabotaged the left in the DNC, not weakened the moderates.
"Neutrality is on the side of the oppressor" - some guy who doesn't know anything about oppression, I guess
People who stood by and preferred to let Nazis win to the arduous task of [checks notes] casting a vote are absolutely not innocent.
To make a lighter quote with the same meaning, as a Canadian poet once said, "If you choose not to decide/You still have made a choice"
You realize this path you're barreling down leads to the death of the democratic party, right? Conservative dems aren't going to draw any more votes, especially with people like you keeping the hate alive.
Stop, I can only get so erect.
Of course conservative dems aren't going to get any more fucking votes. But that's the message abstainers sent to the DNC when they welcomed in the far-right fascist against the centrist ghoul.
The DNC isn't interested in fucking leftist organizing or the inner spirit of the fucking people, and it's pretty unlikely from their actions that they're going to suddenly realize that their 40-year-old conceptions of the American political electorate as fundamentally fluid instead of calcified are going to suddenly change. They're interested in what number of voters they can get to support them and their power.
If the message sent is "The right-wing is more powerful", the DNC will move to attempt to strip votes from the right-wing which acquired more votes than them. Telling them "No, move left after losing to the right-wing!" is claiming that leftists prefer the far-right to centrists - so why would the DNC try to court a demographic which they have no guarantee that they can satisfy to the point where they would be preferred even over literal fucking Nazis? And considering that abstainers display, by definition, no electoral support, and the PSL and Greens garnered sub-1% of the vote, how can one convincingly tell the DNC that becoming a left-party will make them successful, when much 'purer' left parties are already miserable, abject failures in this current electorate?
I'm voting for progressive and left-wing candidates in the coming primaries, and I'll campaign for them too. But our job has become much harder by letting Trump in, regardless of how 'pure' it felt to keep Kamala out.
They will never win over the right wing of the US. If they decide to give up on the left chasing them, then it's nazis forever just like you want.
Yes, that's literally what I fucking said.
My entire fucking argument is predicated on the idea that what happened in 2024 was the left driving the DNC away from making concessions to the left.
Sorry that you prefer Nazis to putting in the effort to force the DNC to listen, I understand that a core element of fascist thought is the rejection of filthy 'intellectual' types in exchange for a cult of action and mass heroism.
You have the causal relationship backwards and it's so obvious I have to assume it's on purpose. I don't know why you're fighting so hard for the nazis but I hope you're at least getting paid.
This is the pushback, you nonce. The Dems think they get the undying loyalty of the left because there is no other option, and so they ignore all their issues and sabotage us again and again. Like a game to win. The liberals GET no pushback so we ended up here, with two right-wing parties.
Actually, from my understanding, they want the same thing as before. For the party to LISTEN TO ITS CONSTITUENTS RATHER THAN DONORS. It's a shockingly simple proposal that, if implemented before the election, could have prevented this situation.
By not voting in the general, rather than running as or supporting progressive alternatives in primaries, you just taught the party the people are fascist
"please stop supporting Israel murdering children in Gaza" "no" "Ok we're not voting for you" The people are fascist
Shut the fuck up
There literally weren't primaries you moron, they annotined Harris
Honestly, you seem like a right-wing agitator trying to foment division among the left.
That is exactly what OP is doing. Likely on a CIA or NSA payroll. Or whatever three letter agency pays online trolls and propagandists.
This is like the fifth time today you've accused someone of that.
But your candidtaes are voted for in a primary. If you want better candidates they need people like you to organise and put in the work to get them on the ballot in the first place.
That’s what I’m saying! We need people to care more about the quality of our candidates. But the DNC kicks out anyone who is “scary socialist”. Do I think they can’t change? No. And I’m not even a non-voter btw. I’m just saying, to get through to these people, blaming them for the outcome isn’t going to get them to vote blue.
Will asspatting them for the outcome get them to vote blue?
The broader issue is to establish purity politics as morally and socially unacceptable rather than "Just politics :)" that you look over to invite people to the barbeque in spite of.
"I acted in favor of your murder!" shouldn't be acceptable just because the person who did it claims to wear a coat of red paint.
This election cycle there was no "getting your candidate on the ballot" though. No for president anyway.
How do you know the lesson Dems learn will be what you want, and not "oh I guess the people are fascists"
The assumption here is the left is so powerful that according to PugJesus we single handedly cost the democrats the election. Yet curious the Democratic party consistently shows it will make no effort to appeal to this large powerful group to get elected.
It's almost like the left isn't the problem, and I'd wager a majority did still vote for Harris like me.
What actually got Trump elected was the independents and morons who aren't into politics at all and just vibe voted for Trump. How do I know? I actually talk to people who voted for Trump and many see they were duped by the vibes and brocasts.
Not to mention the large scale effort on the right to get people kicked off the ballots among many other voter suppression tactics.
But let's not focus on any of that, let's lefty bash and cause more infighting, that seems like a great idea!