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No, I blame the voters that chose this, and the politicians who ran on it. I also blame the party that built out the infrastucture that fascism is currently using for all of this. I don't blame the ones that voted against it.
I never expected you to be such a supporter of Harris voters!
That's because you've never been interested in my views. You seem to be only interested in taking cheap shots, instead of understanding.
That was sarcasm, genius.
You're unbearable. No wonder Lemmy.world defederated from the other socialist spheres on Lemmy. Y'all have a bubble that you need kept intact.
Let me guess, you don't endorse Zohran Mamdani?
On the contrary, I adore Mr. Mamdani.
But I guess someone thinking that supporting genocide is bad even if you do it while pinky-promising you're a leftist is confusing for someone who bootlicks campist instances that play apologist for the Uyghur and Ukrainian genocides.
But you were sarcastically correct, because you would rather make things up and yell at people, than fully understand their position, genius
I see I'll have to explain this in simpler terms.
I'm pointing out that the only people who voted against fascism were Harris voters, not the non-voters you're asspatting.
Nope, plenty of 3rd party voters also voted against fascism. I know, because I am one of them.
If Harris wanted me to vote for her, she should have run on policies that I (and most americans) want, instead of policies that I (and most americans) do not want.
Third party votes in a presidential election are effectively virtue signaling. And nothing more. One of the many things that it signals is that you didn't really care who wins. Whether they are Fascist or not. Or that you were hyperbolic / disingenuous in calling them both fascist. Which don't get me wrong Democratic Leadership really seems far too comfortable with the fascists. But they certainly aren't the same.
It is still your god-given right as a voter to use your vote in that way. Though people are right to point out that you didn't show any sort of solidarity against the fascists. The Republicans margin of victory was so thin. This was literally the hypothetical everyone talked to you all about without end. Where you could have made the difference. But chose not to.
Correct. I don't believe that I ever said otherwise. I was signalling that I wanted the US to stop bombing children, backing a genocide, sacrificing the poor and working-class for the sake of the rich, etc etc.
Incorrect. I was signalling that I wanted both of them to lose.
I'm pretty sure that I never said that both of them were fascist. Please point out to me where I said that, and I will correct it.
Agreed. I'm not sure why you bring that up, as I never said that they were the same.
No, they are incorrect. I tried pushing the Democrats to win by picking popular platforms, which they refused to do. They chose to stick with losing on an unpopular platform, rather than picking up more popular platforms to win. I wanted them to do this so that a "part for the people" would win, and the fascists would lose.
Then the Democrats should have put in a real effort to pick up more voters, instead of pushing voters away. People were very clear about what they wanted from the Democrats, but Harris' response was "I'm speaking" instead.
If all of the 3rd party voters backed Harris, she still would have lost. It seems to me that running a campaign of unpopular polices, and unpopular candidates on the coat-tails of an unpopular president is why they lost. They chose this, not me.
I love bringing this point up. Shit libs have no retort. They have no choice but to look at the mythical four kind of voter: the non-voters!
Instead, they chased after the other active, sizable voting base, which blew up in their face.
I don't know if Democrats have dropped the ball this hard ever in American history.
I have as much proof as you do that they didn't. Go on. Post your proof. I guarantee you there are counties and regions that were close. Where a third party voter could have made a difference. But if you have the evidence to show me that no county no Village no town was that close with regard to third-party voters. Please post it.
There were many factors contributing to the Democrats loss. Many of them their own fault. But plenty of them were people who couldn't be bothered to show any solidarity or extend any Mutual Aid to actually fight off a fascist. Which really sucks believe me. I would much rather see all natural offices dissolved and national elections ceased. Hell I'd like to see that the most State offices as well. None of them represent me.
Have you given any thought to the fact that the reason no one replies to you. Is because they've got better things to do than deal with a name calling petulant tanky pretending to be an anarchist engaging in bad faith?
Proof.
3rd party would've made no difference bro. You're coping. I won't even do you the favor of telling you why you're wrong. Your libtard brain is already stuck in the sand.
Instead of looking at the facts, you liberals think up hypotheticals that guarantee your pre-existing biases are confirmed. No room to hear other points of view. Y'all are just as bigoted as MAGAts in this way.
Please write back when you're ready to have a grown up conversation.
Idk if you have some Lemmy instances blocked or what, but I get plenty of replies. You added to that counter! I guess a proper gesture of gratitude is in order:
THANK YOU!
You don't do reading comprehension well do you? None of that disproves what I claimed. This is always been a problem with dishonest tankies like you. You argue strawman and not what people actually say.
None of that disproves that there are likely counties and precincts which could have been won/swayed by third-party votes that could have made the difference. As I stated unfortunately there is no data that exists to show definitively one way or the other on that. But considering the margin of victory was just two or three percentage points. Third party voters could have easily made a difference in many places.
I was having a grown-up conversation. You are the petulant little tanky that started off with name calling. 🤷♀️
Hey genius, it was literally a reply to you stating that "they never reply". So which is it? Do they reply or don't they reply? Can you be consistent? Can you not lie? This is where we're at now. 😅 strawmen and inconsistencies. I'm not surprised coming from a dishonest tanky. Though we always hope you all learn better someday. You're worse than the Liberals you seem to hate so much. Don't get me wrong it is hilarious to try to watch you all act like you're mature between all the name calling and immaturity.
Goes on to show no proof, while I do.
Clearly you're arguing in bad faith here, otherwise you'd know that my proof casts major doubt on what you believe.
I don't believe things based on a whim. I update my views based on the information available.
Facepalms But you said that you have proof that the 3rd party wouldn't have mattered? Or now that I've given my evidence, you mean to say that you have nothing to show for your claims.
I also love to speculate when it reinforces my preconceived notions!
Uh, yeah. It's in the first comment I made, before you responded to it, dumbass. If you didn't see what kind of interlocutor I was, then maybe you would have changed your approach? Soy Libs and Soy Right these days.
Unless you shit libs learn the difference between yes or no, on or off, up or down, left or right, I guess anything is a lie to you 😅😅😅
Coming from a liberal, that's pretty much what I would expect you to say!
I kinda feel bad for the people that blame third-party voters, actually. I get that they are angry and frustrated, and they should be. But they are upset at the wrong people. Instead of being upset at the voters who couldn't stomach such a terrible candidate/party, they should be mad at the candidate/party for choosing to be so terrible and losing so many voters.
Sorry that you're in denial, I understand being a Nazi enabler is hard to take.
Says the person that keeps telling others that voting against genocide was bad.
I very clearly voted against the Nazis, but you clearly voted for genocide. I'm sorry that is hard for you to accept.
A gay Nazi isn't so far from a Nazi, bud