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I agree with this, but I still feel there are too many people. Like we don't need 8.5 billion. We could use so much less stuff if we just stopped fucking so much. We could REDUCE the size of our grid significantly. That seems like a good goal.
Btw genocide is a dumb way to achieve this. Plenty easy to just let people live to death since you can provide for 3x the number of people.
Edit: I thought I made it clear with the above line, but I'm not suggesting fucking eugenics. How do you get that from what I said..? I literally specified the fucking opposite. Unless people view any form of population controls in any sense to be eugenics. Which is just fucking braindead.
Providing people with high standard of living lowers birth rates. It's a well established effect, every single country with high standard of living has low birthrates. Providing people with sexual education and sexual health also lowers birth rates. Educated people that have easy access to birth control will have fewer children.
Provide people with education and things they need and overpopulation is an issue that fixes itself.
That sounds like a great way to reduce the population. I don't understand why when I say that we should have less people, everyone assumes I mean like next year. Fucking generations away we will have less people. That's good. We don't have to abuse or hurt or even cajole people into it.
Because, as a general rule, people are bad at long-term thinking. Either that, or they are intentionally being obtuse.
Congratulations, now you are depleting our planet's resources even faster.
I think im the only one who agrees with you...we don't need this many people, and no one asks to be born. This doesn't mean we kill off people already here at all. Just stop feeling like kids are a requirement to live, or adopt.
Think about it. One person. Has 4 kids. Each kid wants their own house. Then each of those kids has kids that want their own house. None of that is sustainable. We wouldn't have to all live in 1 bedroom apartments if there were less people.
I agree. The earth's population has nearly doubled since I was a kid, with no particular planning or preparation, and now that food and housing shortages have gotten unbearably bad, we're told that we can't go back to having less people or everything will collapse, as though the planet is a MLM company.
The most effective way of population control is education, curbing of religious influences and raising of living standards. Just look up "demographic change". In the 1880, German fertility rates were between 5.5 and 5. That's on par with modern day Niger and Mali, some of the most fertile nations in the world. As soon as the mortality rates of German children dropped and a social net was established, rates fell. And this has happened all over the world. Unless we get taken in by abrahamic fertility cults again, a healthier, better educated and equal society will stabilize the world's population at around 9 billion. And we can easily support them, if we work towards it. No need for pseudoeugenics or other population control mechanisms.
You can't just declare that there are too many people and then expect some other faceless masses to go do the dying somewhere else. If you actually want to lower birth rates, you need to invest in public education and healthcare, and you need to have a plan to care for the unbalanced number of elderly retirees.
Did I say we don't fucking do that? Did I say that I expect some faceless group to be shot in the hills? Or was that your first thought as to the only solution possible?
Really it just speaks to your own mind.
We already don't care for our aging population well at all. Reducing population requires way more planning and resources than you think. Nations that are actually losing population are really struggling with this reality.
I agree, they are struggling under capitalism. But a shrinking population doesn't necessitate suffering. At least not any more, where we could provide for our elderly with great efficiency if we were inclined to do so. It would not turn a profit, but some things are important in life.
No, but I didn't say that either. You did say to just people die from living. Old people need young people to support them. If everyone just stops fucking, as you suggested, society would collapse under the weight of all the suffering of old people. Those will be your grandparents and then your parents and then you, and probably your kids, too, because that sort of disaster lasts a long time.
I meant we let people live out their lives, and eventually die. Not cut off their medicine. Jesus dude...
It’s got most of the same issues as eugenics - yeah, it’d be nice if nobody had to suffer obvious and objective genetic diseases but it consistently immediately turns into “well but I think being a red head is a genetic disease”. You have to consider how a solution can be achieved to really weigh its benefit versus alternatives.
We can feed everybody by Luigi-ing a rounding error’s worth of billionaires. Or we can reduce global population by a factor of 10, which is almost certainly going to disproportionately favor rich white dudes, do nothing to that handful of sociopaths, and they’ll still burn the planet to the ground.
Ok but I never said anything about eugenics or a specific peoples. I said "we should have less people." And everyone got upset assuming I want to genocide the undesirables.
I literally just don't think we need 8 billion people. In no way did I suggest that we do it in a specific way or targeting specific people. Just a general 25-40% reduction in population over a few generations.
Literally all that needs to happen is more birth control for everyone. Not forced.
Idk why everyone gets so incensed by this.
The issue is people have gone down this line of thinking dozens of times and it always ends the same way. Your inability to see that is how we get there.
I mean I understand that people are racist pieces of shit and will attempt to hijack absolutely anything that exists to pervert it into a mechanism of hate. But like.... We can could at least try to better the world.
I think that not having such a massive population devouring the ecosystem would be beneficial in the long term. That can be affected in a multitude of ways but mostly by getting the people alive right now to manage their consumption. Once the "line go down" from that, the generations long dastardly project of ...checks notes...educating people and providing them with medical care as needed, the population will in all probably go down as a matter of course.