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Goldman nutsSachs
Bailing out the bank?
I personally believe the financial system in America is the core of corruption. I also know that corruption is why America has any standard of value. Not saying it's right, just the truth.
In that situation, you just let the boat sink? Because morally it's wrong? We like to pretend there would be no blowback from letting that happen but there would be and not in a good way. So he did what everyone else does, kick the can down the road. What do you do in that instance? Let it die and watch your economy shit the bed because you don't like it or something?
You guys are such idealists man c'mon. This is why progressives don't exist in America.
My friend, you could have called us "idealists" back then, but now you're just fooling yourself. Hillary and Harris lost. They lost, your agenda lost, your agenda failed. But somehow you have the gall to accuse us of being "idealists" when your own ideals keep losing in the polls.
Why don't we try something good, something that would actually benefit the people? Maybe that would actually work.
What would have happened if the finance industry had to regulate? Ask the history books. It has been done in the distant past, successfully, several times. And of course in other countries more recently, also successfully. It turns out that we can stop ultra rich from getting richer, but only if we have the courage to try. Maybe someday you will find it.
My agenda? The fuck?
You're absolutely idealist. You think back then and now someone can march in and slap a new world that YOU like for everyone. Fuckin goobers.
I'm a socialist you bozo. None of this is what I want. But there's a reason even if you got Sanders or the most socialist socialist on there they wouldn't come out as you imagine. Hindsight is 20/20, no policy passed will ever ONLY help and inevitably the baby crushing machine will never not be running. So what do you do?
None of you are treating this like reality. You're in his shoes. The country is handed to you. You pull out of the middle east, bust in new socialist policies and deflate military spending to fund them? Force affordable housing and open immigration?
Now you lost political influence on oil prices, your policies are hated because whether they work or not people are dumb and angry you changed stuff and you dropped military spending so now the military industrial complex is mad and pays politicians and judges to fight you every step of the way. Good job you got nothing done you're worse than Obama.
It's easy to talk shit. No solution will come of it, not even a worthy consideration. Obama had to manage the largest ship in history while it went through some bullshit and he's black and accused of insane theories like he's piloting the drones himself and laughing as he blows up children.
C'mon man ffs
Just say you're a conservative and go. "Progressives" like you are such cowards. You're so eager to slobber over politicians' boots and make up excuses for why they can't do anything good. I wish I could at least believe the DNC was paying you off, but I was one of you once, so I know full well you've just drunk the neoliberal Kool-Aid that hard. The people ready to jump down leftists' throats with "um, ackshually, it's physically impossible to do better than center-right austerity and authoritarianism" whenever we speak up have far more to do with why leftists have no power than any leftist "idealism." Throughout history, it's always been the lunatic radicals who made actual change, while the craven moderates fought them tooth and nail to preserve the intolerable status quo. Ever notice how conservatives are utterly unrestrained by all the things liberals insist are holding them back from making change? When MAGA wants something, they get it, no matter how unreasonable or flat-out absurd it is. But when the Democrats' base demands better of them, they wring their hands and lament how gosh golly gee, they'd love to make things better, but they can't because something something civility something something norms. If progressives fought like conservatives, we'd have fucking fully automated luxury gay space communism by now.
Literally a socialist. Nice try.
No you aren't lmao
Okay sure you know me best I guess?
"But I'm totally a socialist, I swear!"
Literally not. Imagine talking about a topic and your opinion on it forces you to be defending it?
People here are just genuinely incorrect about how he handled the military.
Except you literally were. And yes, people here are genuinely incorrect about how he handled the military. They keep saying that he had no choice, and it was out of his hands, and it wasn't his fault, when it was a choice that he clearly made and then bragged about.
It literally wasn't his choice and it was in his hands but alongside so many others. He's not the king bro you don't seem to understand that. You also don't seem to understand he's not making these missions he has people under him.
Do you have a job? How many times does the boss set an expectation and you or a coworker miss it? You're being intentionally ignorant, obtuse, and just dishonest.
Most people here are repeating Republican talking points. He's a warmonger who literally decreased the amount of war and avoided open conflict the best he could? What a terrible warmonger.
It literally was explicitly his choice. He is literally the Commander-in-chief. He had every opportunity to pull out, but chose to brag about killing people instead.
If he had told everyone that we were ending our wars, and they didn't follow through properly, that'd be on them, not him. Instead he continued on, killing innocent people and joked about it.
Learn about your own government and what commander in chief means.
Go learn who dictates legal authority over the military in matters of declaring a war, funding a war and legally ending one. A president can broker peace agreements but he's not the king.
You literally do not understand your own government and this why when Trump does as he pleases people don't seem to understand what is appropriate and not.
No no. He came in with a latex spine. Take a look at his cabinet. He did the job rather well but change was never going to come with that group.
Your economic false dichotomy is funny though. There were a whole range of options like nationalization and criminal charges for executives that did not get explored because centrism.
Hindsight is 20/20.
But no. There was no criminal charges afoot this is why I'm calling y'all idealists. Do you think this country is or was or is going to be clean enough to do any of that, ever?
Maybe if you do some shady shit too to get it done. But by the book as you're suggesting? No fuckin way.
He did run on "change". What's your point? Mindless centrism is realistic? Mine is Obama didn't get much done, his greatest legacy is the ACA and that is being undone as we speak because of his failures elsewhere.
Runs a parallel to Biden doing alright generally but completely failing on Merrick Garland negating everything else he did.
Unfortunately kinda yes. Ever had to make choices for a lot of people?? Usually the middle ground is where you'll land.
Honestly I don't agree at all. I think Obama's greatest criticism is how he handled Russia/Georgia. But again that's a tough call, you gonna drag America into a second theater of war when everyone is already mad about the first one and calling you a warmonger for literally no reason.
I just don't think he's made such awful decisions as you all are pushing.
for no reason? LOL Maybe the reason people call him a warmonger is that he continuously pushed for more war, expanded the military, and killed innocent people.
150,000 deployed to 20,000. Less casualties on both sides. In a war he didn't start under a military industry that you're witnessing the power of in Israel. People think it's solely Israel holding everyone by the balls, learn about Krupp's impact on WWI.
Roll my fuckin eyes.
Well, I'm sure the dead kids that he bombed will be happy to hear that he killed less of them than the previous administration. What a relief!
Who is claiming that's okay though? And why are you acting like such a tool about it? You're literally treating it like Obama himself targeted kids. 150,000 to 20,000, both sides experience less casualties. That's a fantastic step up, Obama is correctly leading to a proper solution as best he can. Stop making human suffering a political bludgeoning instrument
The way you paint it, any war makes all combatants bad guys permanently and you're too immature to spot people trying in a fucked situation.. You can believe war is evil and bad and cruel but also be forced to engage in one.
Bush invaded and leveled a country to be unable to hold itself up. Obama chose to try and install support, that's what neoliberalism does. As much as you wanna believe it, he literally can't just sign a paper and magically make it all go away. He has to present a solution, criticize it and judge it all you want but calling him a warmonger and being so ignorant about the actual steps taken to reduce suffering is just stupid of you.
lol, you are. You are literally saying he's not such a bad guy, because he killed less people.
I don't disagree that wars are sometimes a necessary evil, but that wasn't the case under Obama. He got into power, and continued on with Bush's policy of unnecessary war. He could have stopped, but he chose to continue.
You can keep saying that he had no power all you want, but he did, and you saying "nu-uh" doesn't change that fact.
I'm saying he deescalated a very awful military campaign that was branded "the war on terror" and was just one of many wars caused by intelligent agency bullshit when Obama was literally just of age to vote.
It's not a question of necessary evil it's a question of spinning plates. Stopping it too fast and it'll fall to the floor and all those children you use as an argument piece so fucking cruelly and stupidly go with it.
He had power. The president especially under Obama with such a hostile Congress/infrastructure around him cannot just declare the end of a war. Congress funds and declares war. The best Obama could do was deescalate, take action to reduce casualties and attempt to set up some sort of government he can even TRY to broker peace with.
And so he does that pretty well I believe and your ass is being a dick about it. Criticize all you want but do so correctly.
Scroll through this entire thread and look at how many morons are using words like warmonger and acting like he's the one killing kids. Then look at how fox news portrays Obama. You think they're not somewhat related?
Trump abolished the ability to know how many children he even bombed and Bush caused more destruction and death than Obama.
I never said he could just immediately stop the wars. And Trump and Bush being warmongers does not mean that Obama wasn't a warmonger. All three of them were warmongers.
If you can't defend your position, thats fine, but stop making up stuff that I never said.
He could have done a lot, but chose to make jokes about the people he killed. That doesn't sound like he tried very hard, especially when he continued torturing innocent people, and continued bombing kids.
I disagree Obama being a warmonger makes no sense. When Russia invaded Georgia and there was a push to go to war. Did we?
Then go make it happen? Why can't you?
Cause an entire apparatus is in the way? Go break it then why can't you?
Because it's designed to crush resistance at every turn with a monopoly on violence?
So what do you do besides cry online and accuse people of things they're not you fuckin dolt.
If you're this pissed cause I said Obama is a good president when placed beside contemporaries. You're the bozo.
I didn't respond to the wrong person. My point is fantasy, ideals and desires are nice. But then apply reality.
Ya know what?
You're right. It's time to invoke a news blackout and dissociate from it all. Nothing is gonna get better and nobody is going to bother "resisting".
Imma delete some posts, mute some channels and move on. Good luck.
So drama and drastic.