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“I think it’s going to require a little bit less navel-gazing and a little less whining and being in fetal positions. And it’s going to require Democrats to just toughen up,” Obama said at the fundraiser

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[–] MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com 19 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I did read the article. I even quoted it. That absolutely does not address the fact that pouring money into races (which he said needs to be done in the article) is useless if the candidates don't actually help people. The NJ race features a 53 year old who's been an office holder since 2018. She's part of the "New Democrat" caucus who are pro business centrists.

He's calling for more of the same. He's not asking for "hope" or "change". I mentioned NY because that is an example of what the future of the party should actually look like.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Hope and change was always a lie to just get into office and then hand it all to businesses. I mean fuck the ACA insurance mandate was basically holding citizens hostage and forcing them to pay healthcare insurance providers whether the insurance actually left them with enough money leftover to use their "access" to healthcare or not.

Fuck all the navel gazing about how it would bring insurance costs down. A public option would have done more.

[–] MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I was definitely using them mockingly here, but I think he actually did want universal healthcare. Congress fucked us over bad. The ACA is unfortunately a huge step up from what a lot of people had. Plenty still fall through the cracks, but the ACA was largely an improvement for people, especially after the federal penalty was removed so people were no longer fined.

[–] SaltySalamander@fedia.io 5 points 23 hours ago

He absolutely did want universal healthcare. Bill Clinton did too. They both tried. They were both shut down.

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

A public option would have done more.

Yes, it would have. Damn it, Obama, why did you vote against...oh wait.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

He's literally at a fundraiser with a bunch of pro-business fucks giving this mealy-mouthed speech. He literally expanded all the worst parts of the Bush admin which are now being pointed at US citizens like mass surveillance.

No he didn't explicitly vote for it himself, but he admitted himself that if he had run in the 80's he would have been considered a Republican. For fucks sake, "Obamacare" was actually "Romneycare," can we stop acting like the entire party apparatus as a whole doesn't deep throat big business? Because it fucking does and it doesn't matter if he didn't directly vote for that himself, he's still part and parcel to the people who make it this fucking bad. That's literally the people he is giving a speech to here.

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 7 points 1 day ago

I don't even disagree with your points on where the party was or is, or how left Obama really is/was, but the neutering of the ACA to what we got wasn't Obama's fault. It barely got through even as a Republican-based idea, and from then for two terms on any other efforts were subjected to "just vote no" mentality.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You deliberately took his words out of context so you could lambast him with an imaginary dis of Mamdani.

The NJ race is a former Navy pilot who already beat five other candidates for this race. You want to say no one else had a chance?She won four terms in the US Congress. It’s her or the republiQan now; you had four years to get someone “who would help people” and once again there’s nothing.

This is bullshit “leftist” whingeing that mean old Obama and the mean old DNC are keeping the socialists down with their cheatin’ ways and it’s bullshit.

Socialists, communists, and whatever ist you wanna ist still have to run, still have to raise and spend large amounts of money, and still have to put up with mindless attacks from the right and, now, “left” to get into a position to help people and that’s before they do a single thing in office. It’s really difficult and mostly boring so if you can’t be bothered to find someone to support, try not to cast us down the well of fascist incompetence again.

[–] MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com 12 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I didn't take them out of context. He admitted he thinks there are some great candidates that we should support but doesn't have the courage to back the one needing it most, or alternatively he doesn't support him. I didn't imply he dissed mamdani, just that he's a coward for not talking about one of the most watched races in the country at the moment. The DNC is actively not supporting the winner of a dem primary. Pointing that out is not "whingeing". I'm also not saying he's mean. He's either a coward or doesn't care. Possibly both.

I also didn't say she didn't have a chance, I'm saying to a certain extent it doesn't matter (though I always tell people to vote at the bare minimum). What are the dems in congress doing to stop Trump right now? Oh, that's right, at best nothing, and at worst voting for his policies. The same old Dems with the same old policies are not going to stop Trump.

You are clearly having a different conversation than anyone else here because no one was attacking you unless your name is Obama. If you want to be indignant, be so at your faves who apparently can't get anyone to like their policies enough to start a grassroots movement, or better yet at the people pushing this country to the right. Leftist are running candidates and raising money and supporting them getting things done, and if you actually cared about that you'd have something to say about the fact that Dems aren't supporting mamdani instead of acting like pointing this out is somehow a dis.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

I didn't take them out of context.

You did.

He admitted he thinks there are some great candidates that we should support but doesn't have the courage to back the one needing it most, or alternatively he doesn't support him.

He voiced support for the candidates he was there to voice support for. He was not talking about Mamdani by design, as stated. Saying he ignored him is the definition of taking him out of context.

I didn't imply he dissed mamdani, just that he's a coward for not talking about one of the most watched races in the country at the moment.

Do you even hear yourself.

The DNC is actively not supporting the winner of a dem primary.

Stop being wrong.

I'm also not saying he's mean. He's either a coward or doesn't care. Possibly both.

Okay we're done.