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What he says might be unpopular on this platform, but I don’t see the racism in it. Integrating large numbers of people from a completely different culture into your society is extremely difficult – if not outright impossible. Exhibit A: Sweden.
This is one of those things where dismissing people who are worried about this stuff as racists or xenophobes just alienates them – and pushes them to vote for the actual racists and xenophobes instead. That’s how you end up where the US is today.
Counterpoint, attempting to appease and cater to racists is the Ratchet Effect in action. This hasn't caused racists to actually vote for Democratic candidates, rather it simply moves the Overton Window rightward.
God forbid the racist asshat doesn't feel welcome on the internet. Fuck asmongold, he is stupid and this argument is stupid, racist and made in bad faith. He is plain wrong, don't defend the racist.
explain sweden, please
Massive amounts of refugees and immigrants since 2015, failure to integrate, gang violence, shootings and bombings among the highest per capita in Europe, and the rise of the right-wing nationalist Sweden Democrats.
Sweden basically became the cautionary tale among the Nordic countries of how not to handle mass immigration.
Edit: Sweden set to rent cells in Estonian jails as it runs out of room for its prisoners
I can confirm that Sweden is in big trouble right now.
wrong order.
SD started rising before the "immigrant wave", since we've had high immigration numbers since the 70s, but the shootings and bombings only started five years ago. they're mostly being carried out by people who were less than ten years old during that time. so the violence is, in a way, home-grown.
According to wikipedia their support was at around 4% in the 90's, 5.7% in 2010, 17.5% in 2018 and 20% in 2022.
There was a peak in immigration in the '70s, but that was still only half of what it was in 2015. I doubt it’s just a coincidence that their support seems to correlate pretty neatly with the number of immigrants. I never claimed that it’s the gang violence driving the increased support - it’s the immigration itself. The rise in violence just makes it easier for them to say “I told you so.”
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gotta look at that graph per capita, sweden had a much smaller population in the 70s.
And what does that have to do with anything? Sweden’s population has grown from 8 million in the '70s to 10.5 million today. That’s 2.5 million more people - and 1.9 million of them are immigrants. The number of immigrants per capita has increased significantly since the '70s, not decreased. It has gone from 3.7% of the total population to 20.8%.
Of course Sweden, the dogwhistle for the racists and fascists trying to insist on the ""Islamification"" of Europe.
You're claiming ignorance on what can be explained by malice. There's no excuse for ignorance in this day and age when access to information is so open. These far-right fuckwits don't want integration, they want a race war. They want white supremacy.
The concerned citizen shtick is bullshit to cover for racism. Trying to appease them has proven time and time again to be pointless. The argument for not "alienating" the far-right is literally just "give them exactly what they want".
Appreciate the live demo of exactly what I was talking about.
Instead of engaging with the argument, you go straight to branding me a racist. This is why the far-right keeps gaining ground - not because people agree with them, but because they’re sick of being shouted down any time they try to talk about real issues. Apparently things still aren’t bad enough for that lesson to sink in.
EDIT: Ironically this just in: Sweden set to rent cells in Estonian jails as it runs out of room for its prisoners
That's because your argument is bollocks, as it is when Farage or Trump or any other grifter makes it. People of different backgrounds live integrated together in peace in many large cities around the world, but people like you act like all of society's ills are because we have too many brown people.
Wealth inequality sharply on the rise, social mobility going down the toilet, neoliberal economic ideology pushing people into poverty, of course people are frustrated. The arguments against the anti-immigration narrative are numerous, but aren't going to do much if you have no interest in listening to them, much like the right-wing talking heads in the media who like to shout over people who defend immigrants from the grotesque lies told about them.
Meaningless tosh. They don't agree with the far-right but yet they support the far-right because they were shouted down. By who exactly? Some bloke on the street? Someone on Twitter?
If you don't want to be labeled as racist, then stop pushing racist narratives and disinformation.
You're still doing it. I bring up integration challenges - you hear "brown people." I talk about political backlash - you call it disinformation. At no point have I blamed immigrants for wealth inequality or defended Farage or Trump, yet somehow you've lumped me in with all of it.
You asked by who people get shouted down? You're literally doing it right now. And you don't even realize it. That’s the whole tragedy. You think you're punching up - but all you're doing is making sure no one outside your bubble wants to talk to you, much less vote with you. Keep going. It's clearly working wonders.
This is fediverse. Balanced opinions aren't welcome here
Yeah ok.