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[–] elvith@feddit.org 77 points 1 day ago (3 children)

These Tariffs may be modified, upward or downward, depending on our relationship with your Country.

First, what the fuck is that random capitalization?

Second, so your giving us in writing, that these tariffs ~~may~~ will be modified at will if you feel so.

Third, which country are you talking about? Europe is a continent. EU is a union of independent countries/nations.

[–] dzsimbo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

At first I thought it might be a standing point for OrbΓ‘n to point out that they want this (but the bad EU, yadda yadda), but after actually reading that garbage of a propaganda piece, I can only imagine that part is boiler-plate, and noone along the chain caught it or could be bothered with correcting it.

Trump is serving up the distmantling of most US soft powers. Like how is this not a game of chicken for us to bunch up on Ireland and tell them no more fucking around with appl and alphabet. I'd love nothing more than a third level bureaucrat tucked away in Strassbourg to calculate exactly how much societal and global harm these companies cause. We could shift that into dollars (somehow?), and make sure they pay that tax, or we start filtering their sites. I rarely believe restriction is the way to go, but nothing would really be lost here.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah the whole trade deficit is bullshit, with GAFA it's the other way around.

But USA, why are we not buying your shitty cars or crappy food? One can wonder...

[–] dzsimbo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I just don't really understand the bigger picture. Like why are Trump's handlers letting him get away with this? Which group would benefit the most, if the US's general purchasing power went down? I'm thinking more Waltons than Putins, but it just doesn't make sense.

While I do see there is a healthy limit to conspiracy theories (looking at the chief of Health), I cannot imagine people wielding actual power wouldn't stop this lunacy if it weren't in their interest for some reason.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Trump is a media genious (let's give to Caesar what's Caesars) he's 80IQ in maths, economics and F- in history. Surrounded with yes men, this is what you get.

History is littered with rulers in similar situations, and surprise, it goes exactly the same way. So here the EU will use soft power or whatnot and just blast that Donald out of the waters. Might take a while worst case, but that's my prediction!

[–] dzsimbo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 hours ago

Naw, I'm not giving Trump a cent more than he deserves. He is as good of a troll as anyone before 4chan could get, but he has nothing else going for him.

I am more concerned about the background service. Like who were the ones that composed the newest sandwich bill? I feel if we get caught up in just the emotional part (he is trolling the whole world, after all), we won't see the actual harm being caused behind the scenes.

It feels that even this proposal is only there to distract from the actual harm being caused.

[–] apotheotic@beehaw.org 4 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

As much as I fucking despise this shitbrick orange hitler, the capitalisation is standard in my limited experience, in legal documents it is common to treat an established concept as a proper noun to make it explicitly clear what you are referring to.

There may be a passage near the start which says something along the lines of "the proposed 30% trading tariff, herein referred to as the Tariff" or "the European Union trading area, herein referred to as the Country". (In this case those passages don't exist but I think the capitalisation still makes sense)

Equating the EU with Country is absolutely batshit insane though.

AMERICA NUMBER 1 YOU'LL NEVER BE DISAPPOINTED (if your expectations are already on the floor)

[–] Microw@piefed.zip 3 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

It's a bit delusional to say that EU countries are truly independent. Yes, any country can independently decide to leave the union – but as long as you're part of it, you give up parts of your independence.

[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Parts, sure, but they also still have separate foreign policy apart from trade. As seen in the American War on Afghanistan for example.

[–] plyth@feddit.org 3 points 14 hours ago

The news talk about Kallas, not foreign ministers. Things have changed since Afghanistan.

[–] Microw@piefed.zip 1 points 6 hours ago

Afghanistan was pre-Lisbon Treaty. EU countries would have a hard time nowadays going "I'm joining this war no matter what you guys do". It could still happen, but there would be a lot more discussion between the institutions.

[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 4 points 11 hours ago

The EU is very strange. Yes, there is a global unifying policy but countries still have a wide autonomy.

Portugal has specific trade and travel agreements with individual countries, outside the wide EU policy. Other countries do this.

In this specific situation, we already know it will be the bloc handling as a whole the issue. Spain has already stated that all commercial tariffs must be addressed to Brussels, as it is part of the common external relations policy. But individual countries can add their twist to end.